Thread: Obamacare

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is buying adwords on the keyword Obamacare

The ad leads to a web page that's customized to detect your location and direct you to a list of "what's in the law for you."

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Originally Posted by bogart

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is buying adwords on the keyword Obamacare

The ad leads to a web page that's customized to detect your location and direct you to a list of "what's in the law for you."

Hi,

Like they even understand it What a upcoming election ploy.

The cliffs notes on that report they don't even understand.

The Kenneth Starr report was at least entertaining, IMO this being pushed on the American people is downright criminal. One by one they are slowly taking away the basic freedom that the country was founded on.

What was that called. Oh yea a few hundred years ago it was called "taxation without representation."

Someone should be held accountable.

IMO it is a Straw man that seem to be running greatly in both parties.

Sami

Originally Posted by bogart

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is buying adwords on the keyword Obamacare

This is probably illegal. Federal appropriation bills contain this text:

"No part of any appropriation contained in this or any other Act shall be used for publicity or propaganda purposes within the United States not heretofore authorized by the Congress."

Of course, when the people charged with upholding the law are the ones breaking it, what are we to do?

Originally Posted by Will.Spencer

This is probably illegal. Federal appropriation bills contain this text:

"No part of any appropriation contained in this or any other Act shall be used for publicity or propaganda purposes within the United States not heretofore authorized by the Congress."

Of course, when the people charged with upholding the law are the ones breaking it, what are we to do?

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that in order to know what's in the ObamaCare Bill, we need to pass it.

Congress still doesn't know what's in the bill. So, it's possible that some loop hole was inserted.

Originally Posted by Will.Spencer

This is probably illegal. Federal appropriation bills contain this text:

"No part of any appropriation contained in this or any other Act shall be used for publicity or propaganda purposes within the United States not heretofore authorized by the Congress."

Of course, when the people charged with upholding the law are the ones breaking it, what are we to do?

That gets into the fine line/grey area of what exactly is propaganda and what is education

I'm trying to remember which former East block country this was that I was reading about in the past few months who...was considering raising their tobacco tax, Phillip Morris countered with a fairly visible report showing how if they raised the tax, less people would smoke and live longer, and their state run medical would go bankrupt...the country did not raise the tax...

Originally Posted by javanx3d

I'm trying to remember which former East block country this was that I was reading about in the past few months who...was considering raising their tobacco tax, Phillip Morris countered with a fairly visible report showing how if they raised the tax, less people would smoke and live longer, and their state run medical would go bankrupt...the country did not raise the tax...

That reminds me when former Colorado governor Dick Lamm said that old people have a duty to die.

One result of this law?
There is a provision in the law that states that all insurance companies must also insure children to age 25 or 26.
Under their parents policy.
Guess what?
Those insurance companies went along with it because they can now raise their rates for 2011 (in fact, just about all companies already have).

But for a lot of this law, I can agree with.

The rates I pay to insure my U.S.-based employees skyrocketed. We had to switch to a far more limited health plan, and we still pay more for it.

We pay more and get less -- thanks Obama!

Originally Posted by iowadawg

One result of this law?
There is a provision in the law that states that all insurance companies must also insure children to age 25 or 26.
Under their parents policy.
Guess what?
Those insurance companies went along with it because they can now raise their rates for 2011 (in fact, just about all companies already have).

But for a lot of this law, I can agree with.

Laws and regulations aren't going to make healthcare cheaper. It's the law of supply and demand. More and efficient supply will bring the cost down. Imagine if the $1 trillion dollar 'Obama' stimulus was used to build medical schools, hospitals and e-clinics and spent on educating more doctors, nurses and health technicians.

No, it is not the infrastucture.
So save the money.

Instead, change all the freaking rules and laws.
Like allow doctors full access to medical records.
EG: I go to one doctor, fill out all kins of paperwork.
He sends me to another doctor, I fill out again the same paperwork.
That doctor sends me to a hospital, I again fill out the same paperwork!

Then the law that tells doctors, clinics and hospital and care workers, etc:
Every 90 days, or anytime after 90 days when a patient appears, get certain paperwork filled out again! Including, insurance (even if the same, never changed, etc).

Just too much paper work for the medical field to have filled out and on hand for inspectors, to fill out themselves to cover their butts, and to fill out for insurance companies (who each one seem to have different criteria).

Then too much paper work for the insurance companies!

Any talk about health care has to start with all the rules and regulations and laws that are on the books and have to be followed by all.