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    Net Builders Philosophy

    This is a community for a very special group of people, the people who are building the world wide web.

    Many other sites see themselves as "webmaster forums", and that leads to some poor decision making on their part. Net Builders are not only webmasters, they are entrepreneurs.

    Being an entrepreneur is special. It requires you to develop competencies in management, marketing, sales, and numerous technical fields -- just to get started.

    These "webmaster forums" tend to have rules against "self promotion" -- as if capitalism were some sort of social disease. If you are going to be any good as an entrepreneur, you have to get exited about the businesses you are building. If you're excited about something, you naturally want to talk about it. Setting rules preventing community members from talking about the things which excite them is a certain recipe for disaster.

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    From the other side of the coin, "self promotion" is not necessarily a bad thing... It's interesting to read about other's projects.

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    Transparency

    I believe that most webmaster forums are failing to properly implement the principle of transparency.

    Forums are, first and foremost, communities.

    In most webmaster forums, when someone is banned:

    1. They are not informed why.
    2. The rest of the community is not informed why.

    Can you imagine living in a world where you can be tried and sentenced without even being told what you are accused of?

    Can you imagine living in a world where your neighbors randomly disappear and you cannot find out what has happened to them and why?

    It sounds like a despotic third-world hellhole, and that's just what most webmaster forums are.

    In any community, there must be a mechanism for preventing community members from harming each other -- but that mechanism should be transparent. It should be open and visible to the community members.

    Furthermore, it must be accountable to the community. Major decisions should not be made in back rooms without the input and consent of community members.

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    I agree. Well said! Thanks for the Forum.

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    So far I like what I am reading Will

    Never thought about the idea of how the disappearing people in real life would feel. Something us USA Americans haven't had to deal with yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    From the other side of the coin, "self promotion" is not necessarily a bad thing... It's interesting to read about other's projects.
    It isn't, but in some cases it becomes annoying. Needs to be viewed case by case taking into consideration what the poster has to offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firetown View Post
    It isn't, but in some cases it becomes annoying. Needs to be viewed case by case taking into consideration what the poster has to offer.
    Definitely. Selling SEO services on a webmaster forum is very appropriate, selling cell phones isn't. Selling in the Marketplace forums is appropriate; selling in the General Chat forums isn't quite appropriate. Community members selling in the community is also more appropriate than outsiders doing the same thing.

    This is an area that could use a lot of thought.
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    Community Based Rule Making

    Rules exist for the good of the community. That "good" can be defined in a number of different ways. With web forums, "good" normally means things like this:

    • Will create the most happiness (revenue) for the current community members.
    • Will grow the community by attracting the most new members.
    • Will earn the most revenue for the web site owner (which may be spent on the community).
    • Will cause the most number of new posts or threads to be created.
    • Will cause the most number of page views.

    Rules exist to cause those "good" things to happen.

    So who decides rules? Well, who defines "good"?

    I believe that communities operate best when thinking is decentralized. Have you looked at how prosperous North Korea is under Kim Jong Il's autocratic leadership? It sounds ridiculous, but most web forums are run under the types of autocracies which inevitably lead to failure in the "real world."

    Only a very few people should have administrative access to the forum -- but that is an implementation issue, not a decision-making issue.

    And yes, one person may be seen to be "legally responsible" for certain things. The real world governments under which we live may force certain decisions regarding forum management.

    So how does community based rule making work?

    Thus far, potential forum modifications and rule changes have been posted to threads in the NetBuilders sub-forum. We haven't seen a lot of polls attached to those threads, but that could be an area for future improvement.

    I am sure that issues will arrive where duplicate accounts are registered for attempted voter fraud. We haven't seen that here only because we're still too small of a community. When forum members become more dependent upon for forum for revenue, this will get serious.

    This is going to be an interesting experience. We're all webmasters here, which makes this a special type of online community. We're all used to being rulers of our own web empires, so this is a community where every one of us is an emperor. That's certainly a recipe for fun.
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    This forum is like the extreme other side of DP
    I mean... it's like + & -, where NetBuilders is + & DP is -

    Or like black & white... (don't know how to tell it, but I mean, totally different )

    Well, this is a pretty good topic

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