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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Google has become like a snake finding its way through a rock pile. You cannot predict which path it will take. Most site owners who depend upon Google traffic base their businesses on what Google has done in the past. It is hard to predict where they are going in the future. Google's current constantly changing nature has led to the demise of hundreds of thousands of formerly profitable web sites.

    I think Google has reached a point of maturity where they have achieved their original goals and they have too much money in their pockets. They are now experimenting with too many useless "bells and whistles" that do not do anything to enhance their search results for most users. If anything, the current search results tend to confuse both users and site owners.
    That's very true, and when you check what they are doing, they just perfecting their money machines aka acquisitions and partnerships

    Regarding the perfectioning of their search engine through their updates it just benefits big time them and just wipe out a chunk of "spammers". Because their algorithms are not perfect, it affects your site more or less each time.

    I think they are not extremly agressive against the spammers in our industry, but I guess that do not represent enough importance for them to take care of that.

    The users experience they claim is an easy excuse to do anything without taking responsabilities of what they really want to achieve and how they want to appear publicly.

    Today it is still mysterious for any webmasters to know what Google really want from us, but they claim that they know what the users want!
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    Lets petition the government to break Google's monopoly over the Internet search traffic. It worked with Microsoft, so this has a chance

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    Did it work with Microsoft? It doesn't seem that way to me. Even years after that antitrust mess MS still had a pretty significant grip on the OS market, and this didn't really change significantly, partly because Macs are expensive and Linux on the desktop still sucks (or is just incapable of out-valuing Windows 7 and OSX).

    As much as I sympathize with the cause I wouldn't sign a petition that asks the government to solve this problem. Government may have played a part in creating it, but that's oversimplifying the issue since the entire economic system is a mish-mash, and governments are better at creating problems than solving them. Either we rack up a mass movement among internet small businesses, as well as Google customers, that puts pressure on Google and creates favorable conditions for a competing paradigm (not necessarily just another google-wannabe, or another typical search engine) or we keep putting up with Google. I don't really see much else of a choice.

    One way of doing it is to seek ways of making money with less and less google dependence. That's a good start and the more SMEs do it the less power will Google have over us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    That's very true, and when you check what they are doing, they just perfecting their money machines aka acquisitions and partnerships
    Google has some strong advertising acquistions. Though many are bells and whistles that don't really do anything to improve search. I think that it's possible for competition to enter the market. But people are lazy and don't know much outside of Google for serach.

    Also, I think that we neeed to give Yahoo some credit for turning Google into the 800 lb gorilla:

    - In February 2003, AltaVista was bought by Overture Services, Inc. In July 2003, Overture itself was taken over by Yahoo!

    - AlltheWeb had a few advantages over Google, such as a fresher database, more advanced search features, search clustering and a completely customizable look. Its image search would also take you directly to the image rather than to the page where it was displayed, making for a faster image search. In February 2003 Fast's web search division was bought by Overture. In March 2004 Overture itself was taken over by Yahoo!.

    -Inktomi was acquired by Yahoo! in 2002. Inktomi's software was incorporated in the widely-used HotBot search engine.

    -Yahoo!, a competitor of Google, also benefited because it owned 8.4 million shares of Google before the IPO took place
    Google - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    -Following Yahoo!'s acquisition of Overture, the lawsuit was settled with Google agreeing to issue 2.7 million shares of common stock to Yahoo! in exchange for a perpetual license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    Google has some strong advertising acquistions. Though many are bells and whistles that don't really do anything to improve search.
    I couldn't agree more with this statement

    All I can see is Google trying to hyper monetize their adwords system overlaping the organic search (which is extremely annoying for any user), and when they assume to care for the user experience, it's not really true. There is no doubt that the organic search in whatever search engine is attacked by their PPC side.

    I guess Google, Yahoo or MSN have the same type of mind set to always raise their PPC prices for less ROI.

    Today many business owners think or many people try to convince them to sign up for Adwords or other PPC system to get quick results and make money. It is like someone telling a player that he will win right away if he plays on the slot machines which are designed to lose.
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    What are you talking about? First and foremost, Google is a business. It's their right to do whatever they want with their site. If it hurts you, too bad. Find a new way of getting traffic. Google has a monopoly because they have the best service. If they mess up, people will got Bing or Yahoo or whatever. Google won't screw up their search because that's their wealth. People come to Google to get results and if someone likes an ad, they'll click. But, don't you worry, organic search won't die for a while because that's what brings people back to Google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafiamaster View Post
    Google is a business. It's their right to do whatever they want with their site. Google has a monopoly because they have the best service.
    Let's be serious a moment, there are antitrust laws, which are regulating anti-competitive conduct.

    Competition law, or antitrust law, has three main elements:
    • prohibiting agreements or practices that restrict free trading and competition between business. This includes in particular the repression of free trade caused by cartels.
    • banning abusive behavior by a firm dominating a market, or anti-competitive practices that tend to lead to such a dominant position. Practices controlled in this way may include predatory pricing, tying, price gouging, refusal to deal, and many others.
    • supervising the mergers and acquisitions of large corporations, including some joint ventures. Transactions that are considered to threaten the competitive process can be prohibited altogether, or approved subject to "remedies" such as an obligation to divest part of the merged business or to offer licenses or access to facilities to enable other businesses to continue competing.
    Another word, they have no right to do whatever they want with their site to build a monopoly. I know these days people are making amalgam between free markets and monopolies.


    Just a few examples:
    Google Inc.'s methods for recommending websites are being reviewed by Texas' attorney general in an investigation spurred by complaints that the company has abused its power as the Internet's dominant search engine.
    Texas opens inquiry into Google search rankings (Update)


    Google's Ad Words

    Lawsuits Worldwide - Keyword advertising is an essential revenue stream for search engines. Several lawsuits threaten this revenue model and could cut into the revenue streams of Google, Yahoo, and others. This page covers the development of lawsuits against Google in Germany, France and the USA.
    Links & Law - Google's Ad Words Under Attack - Overview over the pending lawsuits
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    But, in a business that is totally free, how are they being a monopoly? They have 60% of the market and guess what? They're losing market share. People actually LIKE Bing. Bing has been gaining every month. But, that doesn't change the fact that anyone who complains about how they are losing traffic because of Google simply didn't prepare for the inevitable. Google is not in business to make you money. Google is in business to make money. If you make money in the process, congratulations. But, if you don't, that's not Google's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafiamaster View Post
    Google is not in business to make you money. Google is in business to make money. If you make money in the process, congratulations. But, if you don't, that's not Google's fault.
    I know that Google is in business to make money. Complaints arise when Google get out of his neutrality and favor some groups of businesses (including Adwords clients) to the detriment of other. I believe that when you are a huge multinational corporation like Google, you have to represent more than just your own business interests, but also your primary function and reputation.

    People complaint, look on all the webmaster boards everybody are looking for a magic formula to get back on their feet after the Google Panda update.

    It is very questionable on how they mesure the user experience when Google say that their goal is a great user experience before anything else.

    Sure if they have a group of 200 people or more representing the Google user experience around the world with questions or survey prepared in advance by Google, there is no doubt that the user experience thing is just a joke.
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    And while I would love to see Google act neutral, they don't actually have to. Sure, the government will probably force them, but Google should be allowed to do what it wants with its property so long as it doesn't harm or break any laws.

    People are looking for the magic formula to get back in Google after the Panda Update. I have no sympathy for them. For MONTHS, Google was saying, "Hey, ya know, duplicate content isn't really all that good...And, ya know...Maybe you should make the content better." But NO one listened. They just loved how easy they were making money. And when the update came, suddenly everyone is mad at Google? I could've told any of those business owners what was wrong with their site over a year ago, but would they have done anything? No, it would've cost money to make the changes and why do that if they are making so much now?

    Google asked people if they would trust a site with their credit card, etc, etc, etc. And then they went into their algorithm and started to make changes based on that. I don't know how many people were asked.

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