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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    I dunno about that one. Who would you rather communicate with? Someone you can just barely understand or someone who gets their point across well?

    Well, you have to give and take as not everyone speak as good english as you, so I will communicate with anyone even he/she type poor english.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotComBum View Post
    Well, you have to give and take as not everyone speak as good english as you, so I will communicate with anyone even he/she type poor english.
    I honestly don't mind talking to people with poor English, as long as it is understandable. A lot of my clients have poor-moderate English skills, and I do my best to work with them and understand their request/needs. Nevertheless, without basic, understandable grammar, I have a hard time deciding what they need.

    Would it be awesome if everyone could write as well as Mark Twain? Totally. But I'll settle for 5th-grade-level English. I don't think that's too much to expect of anyone, in my personal opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    This statement that grammar limits style, and this is blatantly false.
    The name is 'Menard'

    That sentence rather reminds me of the Reagan-Mondale debates, on one particular occasion, when one of the ABC news commentators remarked about a specific sentence Reagan had used, which was confusing to say the least, that 'diagramming this sentence is my idea of Hell'.

    *This statement that grammar limits style[, and this] is blatantly false.*

    You've got a lead-in and a conclusion, but the abrupt conjunction is confusing, making one think that they missed something even though the thought was complete; what is lacking is flow.

    Had you not included the abrupt conjunction, the sentence would have read as follows:

    *This statement that grammar limits style is blatantly false.*

    In the above example, there is an uninterrupted flow; it reads better and certainly would be understood better in conversation as someone does not have the benefit, in conversation, of writing down what the other person has said in order to make certain they understood it.

    Conversation generally follows the tenets of grammar, and does not as well. The objective in conversation is to be understood. In writing, we have the distinct advantage of thinking before we speak...so to speak. The objective of conversation, to be understood clearly, in my opinion, should not take a back seat to grammar, if they are in conflict, or the writer has failed to complete a dialogue with the reader.




    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    Novels are checked for spotless grammar, and yet a Douglass Adams book will read different from a Stephen King novel, no?
    No.

    There was a short story I read in High School, which I believe was called The Oedipus Complex, in which the narrator of the story is a 5 or 6 year child.

    The narration of the story was analytical, introspective, and garrulous. At no point did I ever believe that this was a young child narrating this story.

    A simple precept of writing is to get one's point across. If I want to present to the reader that the speaker, or even narrator, is a child, a redneck, a socialite, or perhaps a rambling country sheriff, I need to give them something which makes that believable. In first person, people don't speak in perfect grammar, they don't think in perfect grammar; in third person, that's different.

    As people have bad habits, there are writers who have bad habits; much to the aggravation of editors.

    That is not to say that writers cannot be grammatically correct and lack style, as grammar is itself a set of guidelines and not the content and demeanor which make a writer's style.

    Novels are not spotless.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    Irritations aside, that is what I personally strive to do, as politely as possible. I have seen plenty of "native speakers" who can't form complete thoughts. And to be honest, nobody likes having their grammar corrected. I think the best idea is simply to lead by example...

    If you're a fluent writer, Flaunt it. Be perfect, or as perfect as you can be. Others will follow when they see how well you can articulate your ideas, and the internet will have better grammar for it...

    This discussion has so many sides to it, I love it!
    I only quoted that to break up my rambling...kind of a dramatic pause.

    There are certain asides on the internet which go against the rules of grammar. Primary among those is paragraphing. Many writers can carry on with run on sentences and paragraphs, and there are no lack of editors who are irritated by this, but run on paragraphs on the internet are often poison.

    Reading a book, sitting in a recliner or lying on a bed, is one thing. Staring into the equivalent of a TV screen can be quite straining on the eyes.

    Writing for shorter paragraphs, or just breaking up paragraphs, is often friendly to a reader's eyes, and some people will just simply go away from a website if the copy is too straining to read.

    If someone is following basic grammar and succeeds in being understood, they have accomplished their task, whether it is perfect or not.

    Can I write perfectly?

    Why heckies no.

    I don't have a set of the rules of grammar in front of me to follow; all I know is what I learned in school about grammar, and what I have learned in life about communicating with people and making myself understood. I work with that to the best of my ability and if I accomplish being understood...well...I'll take that over being perfect.

    I just need to work on that part about being less offensive....


    ...nah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    Do you think grammar is important online? Why or why not?

    Yes - grammar is like valid HTML/CSS when it comes to content. It helps the reader better understand your message, just as valid code helps the reader understand the way your design is supposed to work. The better your grammar, the clearer your message will be at base. Then you can build a writing style on top of that.
    i think, many people can understand what we talk, although it has not a good grammar.

    i am also bad in grammar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menard View Post
    The name is 'Menard'

    That sentence rather reminds me of the Reagan-Mondale debates, on one particular occasion, when one of the ABC news commentators remarked about a specific sentence Reagan had used, which was confusing to say the least, that 'diagramming this sentence is my idea of Hell'.

    *This statement that grammar limits style[, and this] is blatantly false.*
    Okay that was written after 4 hours of marching band practice...I think physical and mental exhaustion should give me the okay for one incorrect sentence lol.

    I think I had two different sentence structures raging around in my head. Also, I had to study those debates for history. I never understood it. History is not my best subject...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    Okay that was written after 4 hours of marching band practice...I think physical and mental exhaustion should give me the okay for one incorrect sentence lol.

    I think I had two different sentence structures raging around in my head. Also, I had to study those debates for history. I never understood it. History is not my best subject...
    Excuses...excuses...excuses


    I've got one answer for history...

    ...it happened in the past.

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    Well, English is my first and only language, but my grammer is pretty average. Depending on what you are trying to communicate and to whom, I spend a little more time review my grammer.

    Unfortunately for you guy, when talking on the forum, my grammer based on a brain dump with little review time. So I'll say sorry in advance to my lack of quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    Peoples is a word. As defined by the dictionary:

    peo┬Ěples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.

    Persons is also a word. And that sentence was perfectly readable.
    Fair enough. You grouped them as a class. Perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menard View Post
    So long as someone is understandable, it is fine with me. Aren't we being a bit presumptuous in talking about expectations for others to be able to use proper English when it may not be their native language? Around on this forum there is a global audience and perhaps there are quite a few members who don't quite have a grasp on grammar, but many of them get the point across and leaps and (don't ya just hate that) bounds above what I can do in their native language.

    In someways it is getting off the subject to constantly make reference to using the English language with regard 'to for' whom it is not a native language when a lot of problems on forums are lazy English speaking people who just don't care that they have crammed 5 paragraphs into one, and without one semblance of punctuation, capitalization, and grammar.

    Here's a thought: require more from native English speakers.

    If English is your native language, then capitalize the first letter of a sentence, use an occasional comma to break up a run-on sentence, use a period to indicate the end of a sentence, and, if you cannot paragraph, just start a new paragraph after 2 or 3 sentences.

    That is obviously not perfect, and nobody can really be expected to be perfect (like...you know..other than me...ahem) or we'd just all be boring as hell talking like school teachers (no offense to school teachers...I've met several I'd do...if they would just keep their mouths shut...well...except for...uh...never mind...ahem).


    You know, while I'm on the topic of school teachers, let's bring nurses into this as well.


    Wait a minute, I'm getting off track.


    If English speaking people want non-English speaking people to do a better job with English...here's an idea...present it to them...surround them with good habits in English. If someone does not have an environment which nourishes...well...do you really expect them to do any better if they aren't being given any better.


    I once met this hot librarian...talk about some Dewey Decimal standout...oh hell...I'm getting off track again.


    Anyway...

    Well dammit...that was it.


    P.S. I love peanut butter and chocolate and ice cream and whip cream and blondes and brunettes and redheads and strawberries and spinach (yes) and...and...and...and (just a few more to really irritate someone...hehehehehehehe).
    Well said.


    Quote Originally Posted by whatthehell View Post
    i guess it should be. that is why i practice replying in forums to enhance my english skills. still not enough..

    yeah . i will lern frm the forum also.

  9. #29
    Yes,Grammar is very important and especially for a people like me as i am not yet perfect in grammar!

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    yes grammars are very important for online work. equal important are capitalazating the first alphabet in every sentence and put pull stop at end and coma in betwwen and make it reading for the public.

    thnk u frnd.

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