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    - Content that is useful.
    - Content receiving high traffic (overtime these can be killer content)
    - Content that is not copied from other websites.
    - Content containing variety of terms and keywords without stuffing.

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    Rockstar_sid goes pretty deep with it, but to me, unique content is:

    -Content that is written BY YOU that does not purposely use specific information that is pre-written by YOU or someone else.
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    Unique content is what is written from the head to the paper/screen unhindered, uncopied and not spun

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    I have to disagree with a lot of this. Sorry to be the dissenter, and I think it is great that a lot of you have such high hopes for being original.

    Concepts, ideas, ideals, and stories grow upon one another. We don't live in a bubble where creativity blooms from nothing. Everything we have learned, read, experience influences us, and those things we create.

    I don't subscribe to the idea that everything has been written; that's too often just a scapegoat for rationalizing taking somebody else's work (why not, if they just copied it, why shouldn't you).

    Life, and creation, are a process of evolution building upon everything which has come before and taking it to the next level. The idea of 'completely original' is simply not going to happen as someone before has influenced the direction one is taking; but not the specific path.

    This is certainly not a denouncement of creativity, but a recognition of what spurns it on.

    One of the problems I faced as a writer was in trying to picture myself as being eponymous in the eyes of the craft. The end result was often being overly critical without accomplishments to show for the effort. Writing is as natural as conversation, or at least should be. The time for eloquence is after the fact, not as an impedance to the flow.

    Using disagreement up front was not totally correct. There are points on which we may differ and some which we may not, but saying I agree, mostly agree, or partially agree would likely not endear anybody to read further.

    However, and this is perhaps most important, if someone is wanting to convince someone else of the extancy that is creativity, falling on taciturn dictates of cliche renders little relevancy.

    Want to be original in your writing?

    Be yourself.

    Too often we look at ourselves as needing something to be counted; too often others look upon us the same way and it does not improve our outlook to accommodate them.

    I've traveled well in excess of a million miles by car and met near half as many people; not one duplicate among them. Yes, there will be people who remind you of others, as writers do, that is simply life, but no two people have the exact same make-up of experiences, goals, fears, habits, quirks, etc.

    Write to simply write. Begin with a word, end with a word; helps if you put something between those two words.

    Anybody using a forum online should be able to write. I mean, hell, you can't use a forum without writing, and writing is like speaking; you may start off slowly, but there is a point where you won't shut up, even if everyone one else wishes you would (kind of like where this very post of mine has been going).

    I'll end it abruptly here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Menard View Post
    I have to disagree with a lot of this. Sorry to be the dissenter, and I think it is great that a lot of you have such high hopes for being original.

    Concepts, ideas, ideals, and stories grow upon one another. We don't live in a bubble where creativity blooms from nothing. Everything we have learned, read, experience influences us, and those things we create.

    I don't subscribe to the idea that everything has been written; that's too often just a scapegoat for rationalizing taking somebody else's work (why not, if they just copied it, why shouldn't you).

    Life, and creation, are a process of evolution building upon everything which has come before and taking it to the next level. The idea of 'completely original' is simply not going to happen as someone before has influenced the direction one is taking; but not the specific path.

    This is certainly not a denouncement of creativity, but a recognition of what spurns it on.

    One of the problems I faced as a writer was in trying to picture myself as being eponymous in the eyes of the craft. The end result was often being overly critical without accomplishments to show for the effort. Writing is as natural as conversation, or at least should be. The time for eloquence is after the fact, not as an impedance to the flow.

    Using disagreement up front was not totally correct. There are points on which we may differ and some which we may not, but saying I agree, mostly agree, or partially agree would likely not endear anybody to read further.

    However, and this is perhaps most important, if someone is wanting to convince someone else of the extancy that is creativity, falling on taciturn dictates of cliche renders little relevancy.

    Want to be original in your writing?

    Be yourself.

    Too often we look at ourselves as needing something to be counted; too often others look upon us the same way and it does not improve our outlook to accommodate them.

    I've traveled well in excess of a million miles by car and met near half as many people; not one duplicate among them. Yes, there will be people who remind you of others, as writers do, that is simply life, but no two people have the exact same make-up of experiences, goals, fears, habits, quirks, etc.

    Write to simply write. Begin with a word, end with a word; helps if you put something between those two words.

    Anybody using a forum online should be able to write. I mean, hell, you can't use a forum without writing, and writing is like speaking; you may start off slowly, but there is a point where you won't shut up, even if everyone one else wishes you would (kind of like where this very post of mine has been going).
    I totally agree with what you're saying. Being original is all about your own personal style, and by that token it makes you unique. But I have to disagree with one thing...

    Every idea in the world isn't taken. There will always be connections to make and bend, anomalies to explain, dreams to pursue. It's not so much so about the influence as the execution...

    But what you say is definitely spot-on ground zero correct. To be truly unique you have to be yourself. You are the only unique thing about you.

    If Jimmy writes an article on guest posting and Bobby writes an article on guest posting and they cover exactly the same points in a monotone voice, I wouldn't call that unique or original.

    But if Jimmy talks about his experiences with guest post, and Bobby uses captivating images and charts to get his point across, and they both still cover the same concepts, I would call that unique, original, and interesting.


    Also, extancy isn't a word. Did you mean ecstasy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    I totally agree with what you're saying. But I have to disagree with one thing...

    Every idea in the world isn't taken.
    I never said that; here is what I said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Menard View Post
    Concepts, ideas, ideals, and stories grow upon one another. We don't live in a bubble where creativity blooms from nothing. Everything we have learned, read, experience influences us, and those things we create.

    I don't subscribe to the idea that everything has been written; that's too often just a scapegoat for rationalizing taking somebody else's work (why not, if they just copied it, why shouldn't you).

    Life, and creation, are a process of evolution building upon everything which has come before and taking it to the next level. The idea of 'completely original' is simply not going to happen as someone before has influenced the direction one is taking; but not the specific path.

    This is certainly not a denouncement of creativity, but a recognition of what spurns it on.
    There have been times in our history in which some felt we have reached an apex of development where we cannot proceed any farther; just rehashing the same ideas over and over. We keep surprising them time and time again.

    We would not be communicating as we are on our computers using a script residing on a server somewhere without innovation...without ideas.

    Computers did not just spring up as they are; I think we all know that. They date back many decades to models which did not even have the power of a calculator you can buy for a buck now. Along the way, though, somebody added something here, then someone added something there, each building upon what was before, but always adding something new to it.

    In anything standards are set, and so are records. If that cannot be bested, then there would be no need to keep records as we could just record it in concrete and be done with it, but in life someone is going to come along who will better it.

    That's evolution and is continuous; without it, we would simply die off from our own stagnation. We are far from dead.




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    Also, extancy isn't a word. Did you mean ecstasy?
    Extancy - Webster's 1828 Dictionary Definition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menard View Post
    There have been times in our history in which some felt we have reached an apex of development where we cannot proceed any farther; just rehashing the same ideas over and over. We keep surprising them time and time again.

    We would not be communicating as we are on our computers using a script residing on a server somewhere without innovation...without ideas.
    I'm not certain I understand you. Are you saying we should not communicate via computer.
    Computers did not just spring up as they are; I think we all know that. They date back many decades to models which did not even have the power of a calculator you can buy for a buck now. Along the way, though, somebody added something here, then someone added something there, each building upon what was before, but always adding something new to it.

    In anything standards are set, and so are records. If that cannot be bested, then there would be no need to keep records as we could just record it in concrete and be done with it, but in life someone is going to come along who will better it.

    That's evolution and is continuous; without it, we would simply die off from our own stagnation. We are far from dead.
    I'm honestly not sure I understand you...Although to be perfectly honest I think we've evolved from what makes unique content to...the evolution of human ideas. Kind of a heavy segway. I'm not even certain if I can agree or disagree. I am profoundly and unalterably confused.

    Hmm. My mistake. I guess I learned a new word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    I'm not certain I understand you. Are you saying we should not
    Far from it. If I felt that we should not innovate, it would be like feeling as though the human race should become extinct; considering that I am a member of this group, that would seem suicidal.

    We have computers and are able to communicate worldwide in a split second (don't time me on that) because ideas are capable of being fresh and new. We weren't here 30 years ago; we are here now because someone advanced the technology that much further with new ideas, and we will be even further 10, 20, 30 years from now because we have not thought of everything and there will be new things to explore.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    I'm honestly not sure I understand you...Although to be perfectly honest I think we've evolved from what makes unique content to...the evolution of human ideas. Kind of a heavy segway. I'm not even certain if I can agree or disagree. I am profoundly and unalterably confused.
    Don't discount yourself. You can communicate well.

    I am not disagreeing with you on the validity of new ideas. Not everything has been written or invented, nor do I think it ever will (despite the 100 monkeys typing).

    I think those who want to believe that everything has been written that can be original use that as a rationalization to take someone else's writings to use for themselves. They figure that if it was not original for the author who wrote it, then it should not solely belong to that author.

    That's just a rationalization and Jesse Nirenberg put it best when he defined rationalization as logical lying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Menard View Post
    Far from it. If I felt that we should not innovate, it would be like feeling as though the human race should become extinct; considering that I am a member of this group, that would seem suicidal.

    We have computers and are able to communicate worldwide in a split second (don't time me on that) because ideas are capable of being fresh and new. We weren't here 30 years ago; we are here now because someone advanced the technology that much further with new ideas, and we will be even further 10, 20, 30 years from now because we have not thought of everything and there will be new things to explore.




    Don't discount yourself. You can communicate well.

    I am not disagreeing with you on the validity of new ideas. Not everything has been written or invented, nor do I think it ever will (despite the 100 monkeys typing).

    I think those who want to believe that everything has been written that can be original use that as a rationalization to take someone else's writings to use for themselves. They figure that if it was not original for the author who wrote it, then it should not solely belong to that author.

    That's just a rationalization and Jesse Nirenberg put it best when he defined rationalization as logical lying.


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    Okay I see where you're coming from now. I agree that those who seek to use the excuse "we're out of new ideas, let's use someone else's" are weak in their own creative flow.

    Take a look at movies. They have yet another remake of Scrooge coming out, and books are rapidly being read to generate new movies. Even the original move District9 comes from the rehashing of the guys who were working on the Halo Movie. (also...the movie is nothing like the previews. The fundamental story feels altered.)

    It is time for people to step up and teach others how to create, not alter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakyheathen View Post
    It is time for people to step up and teach others how to create, not alter.
    Well...creation is not without its influences. Essentially all of us are influenced, the difference being how much of our own ideas we put into something or how much we just rehash the same old thing and just put a different title on it.

    Remakes?

    Why not?

    How many vampire movies or car chase movies or westerns can be that different that they have never been done before?

    The movie Star Wars influenced several movies to follow yet was itself a take on Akira Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress and certainly influences from the Flash Gordon serials.

    Many remakes can be classics unto themselves as they are not direct remakes but put a spin on the story. Then there's something like the Psycho remake which was a direct remake and that god awful Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake.

    Lucas' influence for his classic came from Kurosawa who was not only a major influence on other directors but was influenced himself by Shakespeare, crime novelists, and directors like Capra, Hawks, and Ford.

    Remakes aside, being influenced by others is not copying them (just illustrating a point...I know you didn't suggest that) but is adding to a melange of creativity of that which has come before and that which one infuses of their own elements to create something yet again original. Despite Lucas taking element from Kurosawa, who took elements from Shakespeare, one would not look upon Star Wars as unoriginal or lacking in creativity.

    Myself, I was influenced by many horror writers, primarily Lovecraft, and when writing something more along the lines of dark or serious, it shows in my work. Lovecraft himself was influenced by Lord Dunsany, most notable in his early works.

    I realize what you most likely mean, though, about remakes and not creating something new. Much of fiction writing and movie making is formulaic; it does not really differ that much from the internet. Something comes along which takes off like a firestorm and it gets copied to death, simply because that's what sells. It would not be formulaic if there was not a demand for the familiar; we get comfortable with something and demand more of it. Vanilla is the most popular flavor of ice cream and plain chocolate bars are the most popular candy; even though we know there is something better, we don't know if we will like it, but we will always like plain vanilla and plain vanilla is always going to sell.

    The internet has opened up a whole new venue, or perhaps more appropriately resurrected an old venue, where we write what we want to write and people can find what they want to read. With Hollywood and publishing what they are, big studios and big press setting the guidelines for what they want and making it improbable for us to see the likes again of auteurs like Jodorowsky and Herzog and others making what they want on little more than pennies and sweat, and instead being subjected to the likes of Michael Bay and Ewe Boll pumping out unremarkable and unmemorable crap with millions at their disposal, but at best only ounces of creativity.

    The small press and independent cinema have gone online, and that is not necessarily a bad thing as at least they have a place to be and sharing one's desire to create is open to anyone with access to a computer.


    Darnedy Poo...lost my train of thought

    Oh hush everybody.


    I'll leave it at that.

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