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  1. DMOZ: The Great Pumpkin

    Debra Mastaler recently published an interesting interview with Bob Keating, the Editor-in-Chief of DMOZ.

    The results of the interview are posted at DMOZ: A Solid Directory Or The Great Pumpkin Of Search?

    If you're still looking at DMOZ as a potential promotion tool, this interview is worth reading.
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    I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

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    Will,
    Nice post. I think your previous comments on DMOZ maintaining the customer service level of Google (ie none to minimal) on feedback for submissions (and relevance) still hold true unless AOL "forces" the community to better interact with site submitters.

    Even something like an auto-rejection email with a reason code selected by the editor (one, maybe two more clicks when they reject) would do a lot on this front.
    Cheers,
    James

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    Quote Originally Posted by javanx3d View Post
    Will,
    Nice post. I think your previous comments on DMOZ maintaining the customer service level of Google (ie none to minimal) on feedback for submissions (and relevance) still hold true unless AOL "forces" the community to better interact with site submitters.

    Even something like an auto-rejection email with a reason code selected by the editor (one, maybe two more clicks when they reject) would do a lot on this front.
    Cheers,
    James
    You seem not to have read the bit of Bob's article which says that we never were and still are not a listing service for webmasters, so how can they be our customers. Our customers are people who use the directory to search for information in a categorised way.

    Bob has been known not to always see what editors can see and one of the biggest problems about advising those who suggest sites that a site is rejected is the heat it would generate. We already get accused of corruption when certain sites are not listed how much more when a site owner who thinks their site is the bees knees, who doesn't, isn't being listed. Unless we then enter into detailed conversation about why it has not been listed we shall be accused even more of corruption. And the article highlighted that we do not have enough editors how much editor time would have to be given to that heated conversation?

    Do a search for "geocities"... They are now defunct, gone, kaput!!!
    Mia knows very well from other forums that all geocities sites are deleted from DMOZ and that it takes a little while for Search to catch up. Remember you are using a website that does not earn its keep, we do not take money for listing, we do not use adverts and AOL funds it from their profits. So when somethings don't work then bare in mind the circumstances under which the directory presently exists. We all hope that there will be a new directory before too long, but we as editors, more than any of you, know that at present there are issues with the site. Try editing and see. We have part of the internal forum dealing with bugs and it takes too much valuable editing time at present.

    Great that many people complain about the lack of editors but none of them want to volunteer to give their time to join. It also takes a long time for a new editor to be able to work in some areas and it takes a certain sort of nut to want to stay around and work at filtering, listing and colatting web sites as a hobby. I know that I could never collect stamps, tried it drove me mad, nor sports, gave them up years ago every persons choice of hobby is different unless we can recruit a zillion and have an editor for every category as their sole domain. But recruiting and training would be interesting to say the least.

    Don't believe that one can buy a listed domain, change it and it stays in, some do by mistake, but we also locate many. If the site remains good quality and it has the same focus, it does remain, but I will never move a website that has changed hands and content into a new category.

    Interesting too that the article seemed to want us to list almost any site anytime, again we were not set up to do that, I think that we are likely as up to date on swine flu as most directories and many of those will have paid editors.

    But web masters do not have to submit sites, so if you think we are over, fine don't bother. That would save many hours of editing time not clicking through unlistable sites. But don't worry editing is not just about looking into the suggestions pool, we find our own sites a good deal of the time.

    Paid editing keeps rearing its head. If one wants to be paid then BOTW do that, they openly tout for DMOZ editors, some have gone, some do both, many that remain would not take any money for editing and indeed if payment happens in DMOZ it will be without at least one editall, me.

    I am a DMOZ voluntary editor and any views I express are my own and do not reflect the directory, AOL or other editors opinions.

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    Nice article, I must agree Dmoz editors criteria is really weird, I have seen many turnkey websites listed and many quality websites rejected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruben View Post
    Nice article, I must agree Dmoz editors criteria is really weird, I have seen many turnkey websites listed and many quality websites rejected.
    To tell you the truth, the quality of web site in DMOZ is reminiscent of "old school", or, the original unrefined, early 90's web sites... Things made back when Mosaic and Netscape 1 were popular.

    That being said, I don't think editors are admitting site of that caliber and rejecting sites that are, shall we say - MODERN/CURRENT... What you see are sites that were originally placed there way back when, are still online somewhere in cyberspace located at addresses like, http://someobscureISP.com/~myfirsttryatawebsite/mypageaboutbeingadmozeditor/myfriendsIwanttoinclude/andhobbiesthathavenorelavanceanymore

    In other words, I question just how "current" DMOZ really is. Does anyone actually ever spend time just searching through it? It will take you about 5 seconds to recognize what I am talking about.

    YMMV...
    Jer - OWNER HostDrive.Com and HostingLizard.com

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    I have always found DMOZ to be useless and highly overrated. You make a brilliant point, Mia and I loved your example of 'someobscureISP' - very accurate! Anyway, the editors don't do a nice job of keeping the quality up and the submissions up-to-date. I don't even bother submitting my sites there anymore because I just don't see the point...

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    Another example of how out of date and out of touch DMOZ is.

    Do a search for "geocities"... They are now defunct, gone, kaput!!!

    Result number ONE:

    Epinions.com - Yahoo! Geocities - Opinions and reviews about this free web space provider.
    -- http://www.epinions.com/cmsw-Yahoo__Geocities Home: Consumer Information: Computers and Internet: Internet: Web Hosting: Geocities (4)

    NICE!!!

    Look at all the "www.geocities.com/site" pages listed:

    http://www.geocities.com/droidmakr/

    ON AND ON AND ON....

    Get a CLUE DMOZ!!!!

    Look at all the dead links. Nice!
    Jer - OWNER HostDrive.Com and HostingLizard.com

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    What's wrong with pumpkins?

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    A lot of DMOZ categories don't have editors and are basically frozen.

    Btw, the easiest way to get listed in the DMOZ is to buy a domain that's expired and has a listing DMOZ will never know

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    A lot of DMOZ categories don't have editors and are basically frozen.

    Btw, the easiest way to get listed in the DMOZ is to buy a domain that's expired and has a listing DMOZ will never know
    I wonder if there is any money in selling DMOZ listed domains, now that you mention it. I could make a killing if people wanted to pay just to have a domain listed in DMOZ.
    Jer - OWNER HostDrive.Com and HostingLizard.com

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