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    Dashes in Domain Names or .org TLDs

    I need a geo domain, and all the .coms are gone or for sale. The dashed versions, and .org domains are still available. So, I'm weighing the pros and cons.

    The Pros for dashed domain names are 1) mostly available in quanity (2) easier for the search engines to recognize the keywords. Also, eaiser for the user to read the url when the domain has multiple words that run togther. (3) Keywords in the domain.

    Generally, I don't like hyphens in the domain. The hyphens look spammy and hyphenated domains are hard to give out over the phone. There's also issues with losing traffic should the user forget to use the dashes.

    I'm favoring the .org TLD mainly for the exact match bonus and it looks less spammy. The drawback is branding issues. Confusion with .com that's already taken shouldn't be a problem as the owner has an auto listing directory on the domain and it's not ranked. I'm considering a 'work around' for branding by using a .com for the company name and redirecting to the generic .org

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    If you want to focus on branding and pick up the exact match bonus, then the .org is the best choice. Actually, I would prefer a dot net before the dot org, but I assume that is not available.

    My most popular site uses a hyphen. I have three sites with hyphens, but they all focus on SEO traffic and not branding. The only reason I registered them was because the dot com sans the hyphen was not available. Plus, they were registered several years ago before the exact match bonus became apparent. Nonetheless, they are all productive sites.

    You will lose some traffic with either choice, just simply due to the fact that people tend to try the dot com without a hyphen first. Heck, I still find myself sometimes going to netbuilders.com. I'll bet that site owner saw a real boost in traffic since Will set up this forum.

    I'm not sure that redirecting a dot com to the dot org is going to accomplish much, unless you expect a lot of dot com type-ins for the company name due to a successful branding program.
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    I don't see many dashed domains in Google results, even when I search on dot dash etc.

    .org works out fine for me, although some people might tell you it is reserved for charitable sites.
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    some how i prefer org then dash or dot net

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    I certainly wouldn't recommend a domain with a hyphen between two or more words.
    A .org will be the best choice in your case without any doubt.

    As far as hyphens are concerned, we know that they act as space separators for words of folders and files after the domain name, i.e.
    Code:
    http://www.domain.com/awesome-stuff
    , here the page can be optimized for the keyword 'awesome stuff' as the hyphen/dash is a valid space seperator.

    However in the case of domains, it is uncertain whether the hyphen behaves in the same way i.e.
    Code:
    http://www.domain-name.com
    could be interpreted as the same as
    Code:
    http://www.domainxname.com
    or
    Code:
    http://www.domaincname.com
    or
    Code:
    http://www.domain0name.com
    . We also know that domains with hyphens do not qualify for the 'Exact Match' bonus.

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    [quote=TopDogger;164357]If you want to focus on branding and pick up the exact match bonus, then the .org is the best choice. Actually, I would prefer a dot net before the dot org, but I assume that is not available[/url]

    I like the dot org for SEO purposes. You may be right about dot net being more favorable as many people confuse the .org with a non-profit or charitable organization.

    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    My most popular site uses a hyphen. I have three sites with hyphens, but they all focus on SEO traffic and not branding. The only reason I registered them was because the dot com sans the hyphen was not available. Plus, they were registered several years ago before the exact match bonus became apparent. Nonetheless, they are all productive sites.
    I have a dashed domain that is 7 years old. The site is ranking well even with the dashes. I used the dashed domain, because it's easier to read the url in the search listings. HaHA! It just came to my mind that my site is one of the few that has dashes. Perhaps taht will make my visitors remember the url.

    I was thinking about doing a 301 redirect to the non-dashed version. But discovered about 30% of PR is lost on a 301. I don't see enough benefit versus the loss in PageRank to make the change.

    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    You will lose some traffic with either choice, just simply due to the fact that people tend to try the dot com without a hyphen first. Heck, I still find myself sometimes going to netbuilders.com. I'll bet that site owner saw a real boost in traffic since Will set up this forum.
    I luckily was able to buy the both the dashed and non-dashed versions for the dot com, dot org, dot net, dot info and some other combinations. You have to be your own cyber squatter.

    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I'm not sure that redirecting a dot com to the dot org is going to accomplish much, unless you expect a lot of dot com type-ins for the company name due to a successful branding program.
    Companyname.com with be used on business cards, print ads, given out over the phone etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy101 View Post
    I don't see many dashed domains in Google results, even when I search on dot dash etc.
    For most keywords, dashed domains are 2-3% of the top 100. On "dui attorney nj", there's 4 dashed domains in the top ten. Which makes me wonder if there's a dashed domain filter. "DUI Attorney" is a high paying keyword. So I figure that the top dui attorney websites have a lot of links and are aged domains.

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    [quote=bogart;164414]
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    If you want to focus on branding and pick up the exact match bonus, then the .org is the best choice. Actually, I would prefer a dot net before the dot org, but I assume that is not available[/url]

    I like the dot org for SEO purposes. You may be right about dot net being more favorable as many people confuse the .org with a non-profit or charitable organization.


    for me dot net is some how one leval below dot com (a sub dot com and only those can't afford dot com) but dot org is another standard of domain, organization, almost all company is profit organization ..

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    I have actually done a bit of testing on this and would concur with Top Dogger about .net and .org.

    My testing using the - hyphenated domains show that they are not getting near the exact match love of their non hyphenated cousins. (yeah, I actually threw up twenty or so domains of each and linked them the same just to see.. )

    At least in my testing there was some benefit SEO wise for the hyphenated names vs non related.

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    I just did a search on one of my hyphenated .com domain names and the hyphen is highlighted in the G search results as is the directory path name hyphen. But I am including a keyword specific to my site.

    So I would not avoid the dash if you have run out of options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricBlackwell View Post
    I have actually done a bit of testing on this and would concur with Top Dogger about .net and .org.

    My testing using the - hyphenated domains show that they are not getting near the exact match love of their non hyphenated cousins. (yeah, I actually threw up twenty or so domains of each and linked them the same just to see.. )

    At least in my testing there was some benefit SEO wise for the hyphenated names vs non related.

    Thoughts?

    Eric
    I agree with both you and TopDogger. Hyphenated domains don't get the EMD bonus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy101 View Post
    I just did a search on one of my hyphenated .com domain names and the hyphen is highlighted in the G search results as is the directory path name hyphen. But I am including a keyword specific to my site.

    So I would not avoid the dash if you have run out of options.
    I haven't tested this but it seems that the hyphenated domains have a filter. Not many niches have hyphenated domains ranking on the keywords. I have a domain with a hyphen that is ranking well but the domain is 7 years old and has thousands of backlinks. For the main keyword, only 3 sites have hyphens in the top 100.

    It could be that you get credit for the keywords in the domain. But the issue is that if there's a filter, it's not going to help.

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