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    PRICELE$$ is a filmmaker’s personal journey across America to answer a burning question: why are some of our government’s most basic policies, like food and energy, so out-of-date . . . and can anything be done about it? Sharing the suspicion of fellow-citizens, including a class of young civics students, that campaign money is involved, the filmmakers set out on a spellbinding — and at times hilarious — ride from rural America to the halls of Congress to find out more, because democracy is a precious resource. In fact, it’s PRICELE$$. Habitat Media’s new documentary shines a light on the corridors in our nation’s capitol to reveal how campaign money from deep-pocket special interests can influence both, our electoral process and national policies like food and energy. In addition to time spent with seasoned lawmakers, lobbyists, and a few dauntless citizen watchdogs, the filmmakers visit farmers and an unusual group of Iraq War veterans with strong opinions about policies that have changed their lives. Meanwhile, a classroom full of amazingly savvy civics students provides comic relief. PRICELE$$ also offers a behind-the-scenes look at Arizona’s road-test of an electoral reform that some observers believe could free Congress from time-consuming fundraising and the corrosive influence of special interests and their lobbyists. Narrated by filmmaker Steve Cowan, PRICELE$$ was made on location in Washington D.C., New York, Florida, Kansas, Iowa, Wyoming, Arizona, California and Oregon.
    The Film : PRICELE$$ Documentary | It Can Cost Millions to Run for Congress

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    This is a good documentary. It's very well done and not filled with wild accusations and misrepresentations like you would find in any Michael Moore film or something similar from the rabid left-wingers.

    It appears to be a very fair representation of the issues. I think we all know that the current political system has become hopelessly corrupted. This film reinforces the reasons why it is so corrupt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    This is a good documentary. It's very well done and not filled with wild accusations and misrepresentations like you would find in any Michael Moore film or something similar from the rabid left-wingers.

    It appears to be a very fair representation of the issues. I think we all know that the current political system has become hopelessly corrupted. This film reinforces the reasons why it is so corrupt.
    I believe that the lobbying system is the most corrupt political system that corporations abuse. The best system so far to avoid any political corruption, is that any citizen should participate in the funding political campaigns directly and the government should put a tax on corporations. It will be much more fair and politicians could focus on their political goals and not to waste their time to raise money for their campaigns.
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    Would you propose that labor unions be subject to the same rules and taxes as corporations?

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    I will answer you by another question

    Would you propose that foundations be subject to the same rules and taxes as corporations?
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    Another great documentary to watch on Netflix:

    Electoral Dysfunction

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    The political lobbies are not limited to corporate abuse. Unions overwhelmingly abuse the system. Abuses also come from environmental groups, gay groups, etc. It goes on and on. if you are going to limit corporations, you have to limit the ability of all groups to abuse the system.

    Political Spending by Unions Far Exceeds Direct Donations - WSJ.com

    Unions contributed over $400 million to Obama's campaign. Almost all of their political donations go to Democrats, even though their members are a mix of Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Tea Party, etc. The members do not have a say as to who and where the unions donate the members' money.

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    Would you propose that foundations be subject to the same rules and taxes as corporations?
    When it comes down to it, no group should be exempt from the same political contribution rules and taxes. If they profit, they should pay taxes. If you believe in the separation of church and state, then churches and religious groups should also pay taxes.

    Too many foundations and charitable groups exist primarily so their founders and executives can claim salaries of hundreds of thousands of dollars. When you buy Girl Scout cookies, do you think the profits from that go to pay for Girl Scout activities that benefit young girls? Think again. The first $887,000 goes to pay the salary of the CEO.

    http://www.charitywatch.org/hottopics/Top25.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    The political lobbies are not limited to corporate abuse. Unions overwhelmingly abuse the system. Abuses also come from environmental groups, gay groups, etc. It goes on and on. if you are going to limit corporations, you have to limit the ability of all groups to abuse the system.
    Perhaps it is not limited to corporations, but they are mainly corporations abuses, if you don't believe me just check this link and compare the money involved Interest Groups | OpenSecrets


    When it comes down to it, no group should be exempt from the same political contribution rules and taxes. If they profit, they should pay taxes. If you believe in the separation of church and state, then churches and religious groups should also pay taxes.
    I am for the separation of state and religions, because I am for the Laïcité.

    Too many foundations and charitable groups exist primarily so their founders and executives can claim salaries of hundreds of thousands of dollars. When you buy Girl Scout cookies, do you think the profits from that go to pay for Girl Scout activities that benefit young girls? Think again. The first $887,000 goes to pay the salary of the CEO.

    Top 25 Compensation Packages from the Charity Rating Guide
    I agree with you that some foundations and charitable groups are abusing the system of non-profit. That's why I mentioned this in my post #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franc Tireur View Post
    Perhaps it is not limited to corporations, but they are mainly corporations abuses, if you don't believe me just check this link and compare the money involved Interest Groups | OpenSecrets
    Unions are #7 on that list with $38 million, but it is not clear what that number means. It is way too small to include all political donations. The $400 million figure was just donations to Obama's campaign. I have not seen a figure for how many tens of millions they contributed directly to various politician's campaigns.

    Money is money. The politicians do not seem to care where it comes from, but they do know to whom they owe favors.

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    I agree with you that some foundations and charitable groups are abusing the system of non-profit. That's why I mentioned this in my post #5
    The amount of money that CEOs for the major charities make is obscene. They do very little for that money and there are no shareholders that they report to. I gave up giving money to United Way years ago when their CEO built a headquarters palace that would have made Saddam Hussein blush and was discovered riding around daily in a chauffeur-driven limousine--all paid for with charitable contributions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Unions are #7 on that list with $38 million, but it is not clear what that number means. It is way too small to include all political donations. The $400 million figure was just donations to Obama's campaign. I have not seen a figure for how many tens of millions they contributed directly to various politician's campaigns.

    Money is money. The politicians do not seem to care where it comes from, but they do know to whom they owe favors.
    If money buy favors and policies, there is no more democracy or republic.


    The amount of money that CEOs for the major charities make is obscene. They do very little for that money and there are no shareholders that they report to. I gave up giving money to United Way years ago when their CEO built a headquarters palace that would have made Saddam Hussein blush and was discovered riding around daily in a chauffeur-driven limousine--all paid for with charitable contributions.
    I totally agree with you that the amount of money that CEOs for the major charities make is obscene.
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