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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Szise View Post
    If Turkey will become someday part of EU then Israel will become too. In my opinion there is no reason to include Turkey except the situation when a group of people wants EU to include Israel as the frontier in the south-east.

    Btw i don't think is good to integrate an islamic coutry in EU or allow too many islamic immigrants in EU because after 50+ years is possible to have a new Kosovo in Europe, or big islamic islands in the heart of Europe. They want people tolerate them but they don't tolerate anyone when they are majority.
    Israel in the EU would be good for Israel in many ways, but it would be bad for the EU at the moment. I think a permanent peace deal would need to be reached between Israel and her neighbors before I would want to see Israel join the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szise View Post
    Btw i don't think is good to integrate an islamic coutry in EU or allow too many islamic immigrants in EU because after 50+ years is possible to have a new Kosovo in Europe, or big islamic islands in the heart of Europe. They want people to tolerate them but they don't tolerate anyone where they are majority.

    Albanians dont look at religion so much. They dont tolerate other muslims among them for example Bosniaks. On first place they are Albanians then something else. Also there is significant numbers of christians among the Albanians and they never had single issue with muslim Albanians, so muslim thing dont stand.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by elbandelero View Post
    I think a permanent peace deal would need to be reached between Israel and her neighbors before I would want to see Israel join the EU.
    It doesn't appear there is going to be peace in the middle east as long as a single Jew is left alive and free. Iran and their surrogates in Hamas seem pretty clear on that.

    With the U.S. no longer willing to support Israel, the bloodshed is certain to escalate. The old "balance of power" has disappeared. The wheels are in motion for a new power structure to be created. A lot of people are going to be crushed under those wheels in the next few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.Spencer View Post
    It doesn't appear there is going to be peace in the middle east as long as a single Jew is left alive and free. Iran and their surrogates in Hamas seem pretty clear on that.

    With the U.S. no longer willing to support Israel, the bloodshed is certain to escalate. The old "balance of power" has disappeared. The wheels are in motion for a new power structure to be created. A lot of people are going to be crushed under those wheels in the next few years.
    Sadly I think you might be correct on that one. I'm not a big fan of either side, but given Israel's smaller population I can see things getting very nasty if she's attacked again, and let's face it we're probably talking only a short period of time as well, maybe this year again.

    Already Olmert has said today that he will use disproportionate force against Hamas if those missile attacks don't end immediately, and this seems to walking right into Iran's arms, and of course Iranians are basically safe at that distance short of nuclear weapons being fired at them, the Lebanon on the other hand is just a stones throw for Israel and it could get pretty messed up again.

    One hopes Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt aren't tempted to get militarily involved.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by elbandelero View Post
    One hopes Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt aren't tempted to get militarily involved.
    Syria would love to get militarily involved. Syria's ruling Ba'ath party has stong ties with the Sunni elite in Iraq and they could benefit significantly by merging a large portion of Iraq into Syria.

    The governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt are too unstable to become militarily involved anywhere. But conversely, when those governments fall -- their replacements are almost certain to be troublesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.Spencer View Post
    Syria would love to get militarily involved. Syria's ruling Ba'ath party has stong ties with the Sunni elite in Iraq and they could benefit significantly by merging a large portion of Iraq into Syria.

    The governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt are too unstable to become militarily involved anywhere. But conversely, when those governments fall -- their replacements are almost certain to be troublesome.
    Can't fault your logic on that one, I don't know much about Iraq other than what I read in the press but I do think the Kurds should be independent, and if that means Syria and the Iraq's Sunnis merge into a single new nation it might not be a bad thing. I realize this flies in the face of the divide and conquer approach favored by western governments, but there you go.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by elbandelero View Post
    I do think the Kurds should be independent, and if that means Syria and the Iraq's Sunnis merge into a single new nation it might not be a bad thing. I realize this flies in the face of the divide and conquer approach favored by western governments, but there you go.
    Bush refused to consider a divide and conquer policy with Iraq. He would only consider solutions which kept Iraq whole. I'm not sure that was the best idea, but it's impossible to take two paths.

    The problems are:

    • Sunni Iraq would have merged into Syria, which is a state supporter of terrorism.
    • Shiite Iraq would have merged into Iran, which is a state supporter of terrorism.
    • Kurdish Iraq wants part of modern-day Turkey, and they support terrorist tactics in order to achieve that goal.

    Turkey is vehemently opposed to Kurdish independence in Iraq because they believe this will enable the Kurdish nationalists to try to lop off a piece of Turkey. Turkey uses its membership in NATO, it's weak alliance with the United States, and it's clear willingness to invade Iraq to prevent Kurdish independence.

    The U.S., meanwhile, is terrified of angering it's most reliable Islamic ally by supporting Kurdish independence.
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