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    Right now one of my strategies is to build as many AdSense websites as I can. It's finding the proper niches. Stay away from markets where the customers are advertising averse, and focus on those that are advertiser friendly.

    Advertiser friendly includes teenagers and the WWE audience.

    I'm lucky in that I have three domains that have been up since before 2000. Since Google just adores links from older websites, anyone I link to sees a wild boost in rankings. $55 gets a link for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corwin View Post
    And yeah, I kind had the notion that these website where you see a guy holding a $50,000 check for one month of AdSense were completely bogus. If you want to sell success, you have to project success.
    Followup - this guy at shoemoney(dot)com. He's holding up a an adsense check for $132,994.97. But it's controversial whether or not he's a photoshop fraud. The photos of all these girls wearing his t-shirt look photoshopped, some of them appear to be famous models with their faces slightly changed (which is why he has a DMCA link at the bottom). Most of his claims can't be verified.
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    Jeremy Shoemaker, AKA ShoeMoney, is one of the most well-known web entrepreneurs. He has a big following, which helps support his income today.

    The check is dated September 27, 2005. Back then it was easy to make money by building lots of sites loaded with spammy content that would get banned today. I don't know if the check is real, but it certainly could have been real in 2005. That was the year when Google first started penalizing affiliate marketing sites and it only got worse over time.

    I don't know what ShoeMoney makes today, but I seriously doubt if anyone is making that kind of money from AdSense or any other affiliate marketing scheme today.

    I have a friend who a few years ago was making between $30,000 and $50,000 each month from over 1,000 web sites. Most of his income was from AdSense, but I think Panda and Penguin did a good job of carving that income down a notch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I have a friend who a few years ago was making between $30,000 and $50,000 each month from over 1,000 web sites. Most of his income was from AdSense, but I think Panda and Penguin did a good job of carving that income down a notch.
    Over 1,000 websites? How many IP addresses and top level domains does he use?
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    They were all top level domains, with most on only a few IP addresses. It doesn't matter how many sites you have on an IP address as long as you are not over-interlinking the sites on that IP.

    The formula that a lot of web entrepreneurs follow is to work like the devil until you hit $10k per month in revenue, and then spend anything over that on farming out content writing and the purchasing of new sites. I think the total number of sites peaked at closer to 1500.

    Basically, when you hit around $10k in monthly revenue, you are usually making enough for a comfortable lifestyle on the net amount after expenses.

    The formula worked for a long time, but I don't think very many people are doing that today with affiliate marketing and AdSense revenues. It would be extremely difficult for a start-up to do that today unless they discovered some new and secret formula for success.

    In 2004 and 2005, before Google started to hit affiliate marketing sites, not very many people had figured out how to make affiliate marketing work, but those that did made a lot of money. I know another guy who made a lot of money with data feed sites back then, but Google decimated that business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corwin View Post
    Right now one of my strategies is to build as many AdSense websites as I can. It's finding the proper niches. Stay away from markets where the customers are advertising averse, and focus on those that are advertiser friendly.


    Advertiser friendly includes teenagers and the WWE audience.

    This could work. But there's some serious issues that you will need to overcome. It was fairly easy to promote MNS sites before Panda/Penguin. With a good Exact match domain and article marketing, you could have made $100-$1000 a month. In today's environment, it's more like $10-$20 a month per site which would still be a great income based on 1000 sites. The cost to build sites are low. Let's say that a domain costs $8 and you buy articles on Odesk for $2. So, a 3-5 page site will cost you around $20. On the upside, sites with very few inbound links are ranking well. Bing is a little slow to rank sites, but you can expect some traffic as well after the sites age. The biggest issue is that owners of micro niche site networks are having their adsense accounts banned. This could be overcome as well. Reseller accounts are cheap.

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    This was a really interesting thread for me.

    The ways that I would recommend people to follow to make a web income in 2013 are as follows:

    Provide web site development and marketing services to businesses.
    Align yourself with established authority sites such as Amazon to sell your own products.
    Create an amazing socially share-able website.

    For the Amazon solution, produce a Kindle e-book such as a novel or how-to guide. This is the path that I want to take (novel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Jeremy Shoemaker, AKA ShoeMoney, is one of the most well-known web entrepreneurs. He has a big following, which helps support his income today.

    The check is dated September 27, 2005. Back then it was easy to make money by building lots of sites loaded with spammy content that would get banned today. I don't know if the check is real, but it certainly could have been real in 2005. That was the year when Google first started penalizing affiliate marketing sites and it only got worse over time.

    I don't know what ShoeMoney makes today, but I seriously doubt if anyone is making that kind of money from AdSense or any other affiliate marketing scheme today.

    I have a friend who a few years ago was making between $30,000 and $50,000 each month from over 1,000 web sites. Most of his income was from AdSense, but I think Panda and Penguin did a good job of carving that income down a notch.
    From what I see and have been told, the ones who are high up there on the earner' level, their income has not dropped.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    From what I see and have been told, the ones who are high up there on the earner' level, their income has not dropped.
    I wonder if that is their story, rather than the reality. Most successful Internet marketers must keep people believing that they are successful if they want to continue to develop a following. Only a fool would believe most of the earnings crap claimed by many of the players are the Warrior Forum and other Internet marketing sites. People like to follow successful people and want to try to emulate their success. Some of it is real and some is imagined.

    Almost everyone that I know that was doing very well with affiliate marketing and AdSense has seen their business tank considerably. Those that are still successful have likely diversified, but that is how most web entrepreneurs got started.

    I would find it hard to believe that any of the top earners was still doing as well as they were a few years ago unless they had developed a significant following that was driving their business. Most originally made their money by producing hundreds of spammy sites. I always heard that Shoemoney got started with extremely spammy ringtone sites and popup advertising. Today he has a following, but I don't think it drives the kind of advertising revenues that he could get from spam sites in 2005.

    Another formerly popular web entrepreneur was Shawn Hogan who owns DigitalPoint. I never did hear the results of the last Federal indictment he was charged with based upon sleazy marketing tactics. Many of these guys made their fortunes by not feeling restricted by ethics or laws. Most never got caught, but a few did.
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    The people making any good kind of money on the net really do not bother with forums, or telling their secrets, or their incomes.

    Now shawn and shoemoney used all sorts of cookie stuffing, cookie stealing, and more to make money.

    Last I heard was shawn without admitting guilt just paid out to make his problems go away.
    That's why he still has adsense because his forum does drive traffic and google likes that.
    But ebay and clickbank basically gave him the ban treatment.

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