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    Making a Web Income in 2013

    Was talking to a friend... they mentioned that they are branching into a new area to diversify their income because making a living strictly off SEO and affiliate income is less productive than in the past.

    Threads where people ask "How much do you make on the web" are a huge waste. The people that claim to make huge amounts are usually lying to sell you an e-book and the ones that are really making money have no desire to draw a map to the golden goose. So let's try a different tack.

    Possible topics to discuss:
    - Where do you see opportunities on the web in 2013 that might be worth exploring?
    - Are you "staying put" in the income field you're in now because you think it's still growing?
    - If you could start over and pick a different type of web monetization scheme... what would you do?

    This isn't a formal thread by any means, so don't feel limited by the questions above. Just curious to hear what people think are the challenges and opportunities as we enter a new year.
    -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. --

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    What I have always said for years...
    Those actually making lots of money on the net do not bother with forums and telling their secrets.
    They may come out with an ebook, but that is rare.

    Those on forums who say they are making money are just, like you say, wanting to sell something in hopes of actually making money!

    Affiliates are going to be a thing of the past.
    Too many people are smart now and can see amazon affiliate links, clickbank links, and more.
    And just go to amazon, etc.
    I do.

    Two things for 2013.
    One of them is hard to actually sell unless you practically give it away, so for this, forums are not that great of a place to sell.
    And that is creating content, writing original stories and articles.

    The other is again something that will not do that good on forums because like above, too many cheap sellers who do not have a clue.
    That is helping companies and individuals clean up their act on facebook and get their facebook presence in front of people.
    Same on twitter and other social sites like linkdn, etc.

    So many just threw up pages, accounts, etc. and expected to get their message out.
    They really need someone to get those pages, accounts, etc. done right and some money to be made there.
    Oh, and do not use phrases like "I am a social media guru", "I am a marketing master", etc.

    Now personally, I gave up some time back to make money on the net.
    I enjoy my blogs and that is that.
    If now and again I make something to pay my hosting, great.

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    One of them is hard to actually sell unless you practically give it away, so for this, forums are not that great of a place to sell.
    And that is creating content, writing original stories and articles.
    Yeah... the real problem comes in that there are ESL providers that offer a sub-standard product from their base in countries where making 5 grand a year makes you the equivalent of a multimillionaire in the US. I've actually been underbid on content jobs by US teams that have altered their structure to try and be marginally competitive with Pakistan and that crowd. That was for pretty low level work in high quantity, but you get the idea.

    I think writers that are real writers, not just spinning or repackaging someone else's stuff, can still make money, but it won't be made trying to compete with the third world. Working on that tough nut right now... havent found the answer yet.
    -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. --

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    Check out etsy some time.
    A lot of sellers there selling their mostly crap handmades.
    But a lot of them just are not making money.

    Did that myself some years back, along with others in the family, selling all kinds of stuff on ebay.
    It was okay and we did okay.
    But then, like it was pointed out, more and more sellers jumped in, including some big companies, selling what we sold but at a lower price.
    Especially on digital goods like ebooks, scripts, etc.
    Good market and sold a lot.
    Then came the cheapos who sold the same ebook for like 99 cents.
    Hard to compete when people in other countries jump in and sell digital products for 99 cents.

    So I and the rest of the family, and a lot of other people I knew, moved away from ebay and have not looked back.
    Some in the family do good selling their crafts, but at local markets, not online.

    Some say selling information is the way to go.
    But watch...
    You try to sell information and someone will either undercut you or give it away.
    And of course, too many people really believe that information on the net should be free.

    Then look at newspapers and magazines going to some sort of paid content.
    Why?
    Search for the story and you will find it elsewhere and at no cost.

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    I also do not believe that the people selling secrets in e-books are making the money that they claim. If you have a method that really brings home the bacon, you keep it to yourself. Most of the e-book products that I've purchased on WF and other sites have been long on claims and short on proof and substance. If I learn one new useful tidbit I am usually happy with the purchase, but that is rare.

    Google has most web site owners scared to death about SEO. The link building segment of the industry and the growing number of unscrupulous overseas SEO players really has done a lot of damage to the entire industry.

    Most affiliate marketing sites have already been trashed by Google, even those that contain 100% unique content and have followed all of the advice from Google reps.

    I see three areas that have a huge potential for growth, but each person has to figure out how they can make some money.

    Video Training & Video Production -- Currently booming, but only a small number make any money.

    List Building -- for those wanting to shake the Google monkey off their backs.

    Mobile Web Sites and Mobile Technology -- about 20% to 25% of all web site traffic is from mobile devices, and growing quickly. It will likely be at least 50% in 2 years.

    Most current money-making niches have either been trashed or are saturated.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    The fact that more and more people are searching the web through a mobile device in itself does not change the status quo. These people are viewing the sites as they would if they were using a desktop or a laptop. All that's changed is the device they are using. If you have a great website people will still be accessing it 10 years down the line and you will still be able to make money. Howver, getting top rankings with new sites is more difficult than ever unless they are top notch. I still find search traffic easily converts the best int sales. Social traffic for me is a poor converter thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal123 View Post
    The fact that more and more people are searching the web through a mobile device in itself does not change the status quo. These people are viewing the sites as they would if they were using a desktop or a laptop. All that's changed is the device they are using. If you have a great website people will still be accessing it 10 years down the line and you will still be able to make money. Howver, getting top rankings with new sites is more difficult than ever unless they are top notch. I still find search traffic easily converts the best int sales. Social traffic for me is a poor converter thus far.
    Facebook gets a majority of its traffic from mobile users, but they only account for 14% of ad revenue. It seems that mobile traffic is less likely to click on ads. I wonder how this will work out with Google Glasses?

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    On namepros, one person made this valid statement:
    In his years of creating content, web design, and more....not once has he been contacted by anyone outside of the USA to outsource their work to him.

    In short, like rob says, overseas one does not have to make much money to be rich.

    And yes, more and more so called content creators, designers, and more here in the USA are outsourcing more and more.
    Pay someone overseas pennies, charge the customer dollars.
    Everyone is happy.
    Until the customer finds out what actually happened.

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    What killed a lot of the power sellers on ebay was one simple thing...
    Ebay started letting in the companies that sold the goods to the power sellers.
    One day, selling tons of padded envelopes, the next day my supplies now has a store on ebay and selling at the price I paid.
    Boom...out of the office supply business.

    I see the day coming when no more keyboards or mouse....all done by touch and/or voice.
    See it now with all the tablets and smartphones.
    Heck, my wife moves on her tablet with just her stylus.
    And our son, his bank gave them little notebook types with no more keyboard or mouse.
    Strictly via touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    On namepros, one person made this valid statement:
    In his years of creating content, web design, and more....not once has he been contacted by anyone outside of the USA to outsource their work to him.

    In short, like rob says, overseas one does not have to make much money to be rich.

    And yes, more and more so called content creators, designers, and more here in the USA are outsourcing more and more.
    Pay someone overseas pennies, charge the customer dollars.
    Everyone is happy.
    Until the customer finds out what actually happened.
    Security audit finds dev OUTSOURCED his JOB to China to goof off at work
    That's exactly what happened to this guy!

    And yeah, I kind had the notion that these website where you see a guy holding a $50,000 check for one month of AdSense were completely bogus. If you want to sell success, you have to project success.

    For years I was in the semiconductor business. Fun, competitive, great money. But for the past ten years it's been more and more a commodity business and salaries are down. When everyone has the same technology, the only differentiator is price.
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