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    China cyber spies access major U.S. weapons systems, report says

    There are new allegations of a serious breach of American military secrets in a confidential report, first obtained by The Washington Post, which says Chinese cyber spies gained access to the designs for dozens of major U.S. weapons systems.
    CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reported on "CBS This Morning" that the report, put together by the Defense Science Board for Pentagon leaders, includes a veritable who's who of the weapons that will be involved in President Barack Obama's so-called "Pacific pivot." The pivot, Martin explained, is where you take the weight of the U.S. military away from the wars of the last decade and move them into the Pacific Ocean where the main competitor is China.
    The latest hack is likely to accelerate China's weapons development and lessen the technological military advantage the U.S. enjoys over China.
    The designs that were breached, according to The Washington Post, "included those for the advanced Patriot missile system, known as PAC-3; an Army system for shooting down ballistic missiles, known as the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD; and the Navy's Aegis ballistic-missile defense system. Also identified in the report are vital combat aircraft and ships, including the F/A-18 fighter jet, the V-22 Osprey, the Black Hawk helicopter and the Navy's new Littoral Combat Ship, which is designed to patrol waters close to shore."
    In addition to those weapons, the Chinese hackers allegedly also went after designs for the F-35 Joint Striker Fighter program, which is the most expensive weapons system ever built. It is on tack to cost about $1.4 trillion, and has been beset by a host of troubles in its development. There was an alleged 2007 hack of plans for that project.
    "These are not just any weapons," Martin said. "These are weapons, which all have a very specific role in the 'Pacific pivot' and would be of particular interest to China in coming up with ways to counter them."
    Watch David Martin's full report in the video above.
    The news of the digital security breach comes a little more than a week after reports surfaced of China's military resuming its hacking efforts.
    China cyber spies access major U.S. weapons systems, report says - CBS News

    Oh man, and they are still giving all our jobs to them that they don't deserve? We are just feeding the beast...

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    The Chinese having been stealing technology for some time. Back in the 90s, they gained access to the F16 fighter through a joint development project with Israel and the Clinton Administration approved the transfer of rocket guidance technology.

    In the short run, this will give the Chinese the incentive to back off confrontation with the US in order for them to have to clone the weapons. Probably will take them 10 years to development and go into production which isn't very long.

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    Why in the world would anyone put sensitive information like this on a server that is web accessible? I think we need more neurosurgeons in the CIA because too many people need their heads examined.

    I also think they need to set a rule that requires the blocking of all traffic from China to any site or system that is part of the defense manufacturing network. Heck, a lot of us have blocked traffic from China to our servers due to repeated hack attempts.

    I have been to China several times. The one thing that I always tell people who want to use Chinese manufacturing is that you cannot trust any mainland Chinese manufacturer and no legal agreement with a foreigner holds any value in China. Any time you reveal a technology secret to a Chinese manufacturer in the morning, it will be spread through their network by the afternoon. More than one person has ignored my advice and had their product counterfeited and their market destroyed. I should write a book about this.

    There is no concept of honesty in business or government in China. The end justifies the means. The sooner the Western world start to understand this, the easier it will be to deal with China.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    I guess we are all going to pay what our elites are doing in China or with China.

    Why The Next War With China Could Go Very Badly For The United States

    Most Americans assume that the U.S. military is so vastly superior to everyone else that no other nation would ever dream of fighting a full-scale war against us. Unfortunately, that assumption is dead wrong. In recent years, the once mammoth technological gap between the U.S. military and the Chinese military has been closing at a frightening pace. China has been accomplishing this by brazenly stealing our technology and hacking into our computer systems. The Pentagon and the Obama administration know all about this, but they don’t do anything about it. Perhaps the fact that China owns about a trillion dollars of our national debt has something to do with that. In any event, today China has the largest military in the world and the second largest military budget in the world. They have stolen plans for our most advanced jets, helicopters, ships and missile systems. It is estimated that stealing our technology has saved China about 25 years of research and development. In addition, China is rapidly developing a new generation of strategic weapons that could potentially enable it to actually win a future war against the United States. At one time such a notion would have been unthinkable, but as you will see below, the next war with China could go very badly for the United States.
    The Washington Post is reporting on a confidential report that was prepared for the Pentagon, and what this report says about the extent of Chinese cyber espionage is absolutely startling. Will China know ALL of our secrets at some point? The following is a brief excerpt from the Washington Post article about the theft of our military technology by China. It turns out that Chinese hackers have gotten their hands on plans for almost all of the new cutting edge weapons systems that we have been developing…


    Why The Next War With China Could Go Very Badly For The United States




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    The Chinese do not impose any ethical, moral or legal limitations on themselves when it comes to issues of technology acquisition. There is no reason why we should not cut off their access to all of these areas. This is not something that is technologically hard to do.

    If you are looking for honest business partners or government officials to work with, you will not find very many in China. The way that most companies keep the Chinese manufacturers in check is by having a daily presence in the Chinese manufacturing facility by someone from their company who speaks fluent Chinese.

    With one guy that I know, it took less than one year for his market to be destroyed for a hot product with cheap counterfeit knock-offs that use his trademark and logos. eBay is currently flooded with these counterfeits. The original is no longer manufactured. I started to see counterfeits within 6 months of the move to Chinese manufacturing. The problem is that you cannot stop it unless you have very deep pockets because you will probably never find out who the counterfeit manufacturer is and you cannot win in Chinese courts. You therefore have to go after ever reseller on the planet.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TD
    Why in the world would anyone put sensitive information like this on a server that is web accessible?
    No shit. Falls into the "WTF were they thinking" category.

    Some say China would never move on us simply because we owe them money.

    Actually, they're kinda crowded over there, and we live in a nice spot with reasonable weather. They might just think it's time to evict the deadbeats that dont have a prayer of paying them back. We can't be the only ones that've figured out that we don't take our national debt seriously. Our spendthrift ways despite our poor purse is liable to come back to haunt us.
    -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. --

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    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    No shit. Falls into the "WTF were they thinking" category.

    Some say China would never move on us simply because we owe them money.

    Actually, they're kinda crowded over there, and we live in a nice spot with reasonable weather. They might just think it's time to evict the deadbeats that dont have a prayer of paying them back. We can't be the only ones that've figured out that we don't take our national debt seriously. Our spendthrift ways despite our poor purse is liable to come back to haunt us.
    Just for example, the bleeding continue in other industries...

    China's Shuanghui Buys Smithfield Foods for $4.8B
    China's Shuanghui Buys Smithfield Foods for $4.8B | Fox Business

    What is next? Chinese banks and Chinese engineers working for Chinese interests in our countries?

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    When it is not China, it is Japan, I am wondering what belong to who very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    No shit. Falls into the "WTF were they thinking" category.

    Some say China would never move on us simply because we owe them money.

    Actually, they're kinda crowded over there, and we live in a nice spot with reasonable weather. They might just think it's time to evict the deadbeats that dont have a prayer of paying them back. We can't be the only ones that've figured out that we don't take our national debt seriously. Our spendthrift ways despite our poor purse is liable to come back to haunt us.
    Geithner, "the Boy Wonder", screwed the East Asian economies over during the 1997-98 Asian Economic Crisis. This is the reason China as massed over $2 trillion in dollar reserves.

    China has a history of producing their needs and it's really hard to sell there. The British has the same problem during the 1800s and this was the reason for the Opium Wars. The Chinese didn't want to buy anthing else.

    I think China knows that the $2 trillion is lost. There's no way that they can sell off $2 trillion dollars without a dollar collapse. The only thing that they can do is to slowly buy gold, hoarde raw materials and acquire technology/

    When you come to think of it, China hasn't gotten such a bad deal. They've exported goods built with cheap labor and in return have become an industrial super-power. You have to wonder if Obama didn't make a decision to give China the technology. This makes sense in that the military technology that was stolen was worth more or less the $2 trillion.


    Worse, Keating argued, Geithner's misjudgment had done terminal damage to the credibility of the IMF, with seismic geoeconomic consequences: "The IMF is the gun that can't shoot straight. They've been making a mess of things for the last 20-odd years, and the greatest mess they made was in east Asia in 1997-98, so much so that no east Asian state will put its head in the IMF noose."

    China, in particular, drew hard conclusions from the IMF's mishandling of the Asian crisis. It decided that it would never allow itself to be dependent on the IMF, or the US, or the West generally, for its international solvency. Instead, it would build the biggest war chest the world had ever seen.

    Keating continued: "This has all been noted inside the State Council of China and by the Politburo. And it's one of the reasons, perhaps the principal reason, why convertibility of the renminbi remains off the agenda for China, and it's why through a series of exchange-rate interventions each day that they've built these massive reserves.

    "These reserves are so large at $US2 trillion as to equal $US2000 for every Chinese person, and when your consider that the average income of Chinese people is $US4000 to $US5000, it's 50 per cent of their annual income. It's a huge thing for a developing country to not spend its wealth on its own development."

    Read more: Obama's economic saviour savaged as Keating lets rip
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    Just for example, the bleeding continue in other industries...

    China's Shuanghui Buys Smithfield Foods for $4.8B
    China's Shuanghui Buys Smithfield Foods for $4.8B | Fox Business

    What is next? Chinese banks and Chinese engineers working for Chinese interests in our countries?
    I don't think that China wants American pork or American business. Probably they want the distrubution channels. It's more likely that they start exporting pork under the Smithfield Foods label. Back in the 1980s, the US was flooded with imported ham from Holland, Denmark and Poland to name a few. Pork is cheap enough to produce. All you need is corn, soybeans and labor.

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    China is doing what all Communist-led countries do. They look out for themselves and no one else. The rest of the world is irrelevant, unless it benefits them in some way.

    Doing "the right thing" is only right if it benefits China.

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    When it is not China, it is Japan, I am wondering what belong to who very soon.
    I would not be too concerned about Japanese investments. The Japanese have been good trading partners over the years and are not continually caught spying on us. There aren't very many good investments in Japan, so the money flows here. They have not acted like our enemy for over 50 years. You cannot say the same about China. The Chinese governement is unconcerned about the spying and counterfeiting.

    One thing that Westerners do not understand about China is that the different regions are each controlled by a "godfather" general who is allowed to set up these operations to benefit his people and military divisions. The generals are not under the direct control of the government. If you can envision a Mafia crime syndicate structure, you can better understand the military hierarchy in China.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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