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  1. #101
    I am not saying that I believe everything Alex Jones says, but I don't deny that some of his theories have a truth element.

    His 9/11 Truther theories do not hold water and are easily debunked by anyone who understands chemistry and physics. Some of the "scientific experts" that he has on his shows do not seem to understand the basics of either science. On one of his shows he interviewed a clown who claimed that the presence of iron oxide and aluminum oxide in the rubble were proof that Thermite was used to take down the towers. Both are nothing more than iron and aluminum corrosion that formed on buildings built near sea water. There was plenty of iron and aluminum in the towers, and both corrode when near salt water.

    Yes, it is fear mongering, but that does not mean that there is no truth to at least some of what he says. Some of it can be confirmed. My brother has a friend who is not a nut case who claims he was part of a crew in the 1990s that renovated several very remote formerly decommissioned military bases with no access via roads. They never told the workers why the bases were being re-opened, but he says it was a FEMA project and not a military project. At the time they thought it was to temporarily relocate people when disasters occur, but the government has never acknowledged that.

    Alex Jones' anti-government biases do not appear to favor either political party. He mistrusts both parties equally, and for good reasons. I follow him on occasion to better understand how fringe elements interpret a situation. Almost everything that sounds interesting deserves further investigation.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  2. #102
    Biden suggests White House could act without Congress as part of gun control plan

    Vice President Biden suggested Wednesday that the White House could take unilateral action on gun control, as he kicked off a round of meetings aimed at finding ways to curb gun violence. The vice president met Wednesday with gun-safety and victims groups, saying he is "determined" to take "urgent action" to address gun violence.
    "This is not an exercise in photo opportunities or just getting to ask you all what your opinions are. We are vitally interested in what you have to say," Biden said.
    The White House has sought to avoid prejudging what Biden's recommendations would be. But the vice president hinted Wednesday that executive action -- action by the president in which Congress would not have a say -- would indeed be involved.
    "Executive action ... can be taken," Biden said, adding "we haven't decided what that is yet."
    He also said separate legislative action would be "required."
    Among the gun-advocacy groups attending the meeting Wednesday were Arizona for Gun Safety, the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence, the Campaign to Keep Guns off Campus and Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
    The vice president will hear from the other side of the gun-control debate Thursday, when the nation's leading gun lobby meets face to face with his task force in what could be a testy session. The National Rifle Association confirmed to Fox News that the group accepted an invitation to meet with the task force, which is running up against an end-of-the-month deadline to produce a set of proposals.
    Biden suggests White House could act without Congress as part of gun control plan | Fox News


    Your thoughts?



    ---------- Post added at 10:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:37 AM ----------

    Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns

    “There are executives orders, there’s executive action that can be taken. We haven’t decided what that is yet. But we’re compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required.”



  3. #103
    The issue with the FEMA camp reports and everything else he states is that anything that gets him attention he will claim to be worth looking at. To me that is not journalism. It is just blatant hype. Wasn't he the one who spent all day on the air claiming big disasters to come during Y2K?


    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I am not saying that I believe everything Alex Jones says, but I don't deny that some of his theories have a truth element.

    His 9/11 Truther theories do not hold water and are easily debunked by anyone who understands chemistry and physics. Some of the "scientific experts" that he has on his shows do not seem to understand the basics of either science. On one of his shows he interviewed a clown who claimed that the presence of iron oxide and aluminum oxide in the rubble were proof that Thermite was used to take down the towers. Both are nothing more than iron and aluminum corrosion that formed on buildings built near sea water. There was plenty of iron and aluminum in the towers, and both corrode when near salt water.

    Yes, it is fear mongering, but that does not mean that there is no truth to at least some of what he says. Some of it can be confirmed. My brother has a friend who is not a nut case who claims he was part of a crew in the 1990s that renovated several very remote formerly decommissioned military bases with no access via roads. They never told the workers why the bases were being re-opened, but he says it was a FEMA project and not a military project. At the time they thought it was to temporarily relocate people when disasters occur, but the government has never acknowledged that.

    Alex Jones' anti-government biases do not appear to favor either political party. He mistrusts both parties equally, and for good reasons. I follow him on occasion to better understand how fringe elements interpret a situation. Almost everything that sounds interesting deserves further investigation.
    I am also a writer for Serpholic Media. You can find some of my articles here: Serpholic Media Blog

  4. #104
    I'm seeing an awful lot of folks (including the governor of NY) in other venues repeating the whole "you don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer with" argument... or saying that this or that weapon is "only intended for killing people".

    Newsflash: It may not sound politically correct, but there's a boatload of documentation to prove it... the 2nd amendment was *supposed* to be about having weapons capable of killing people. It was intended to make the federal government aware of the fact the people had more guns than any military body they could raise, and to fight them should they decide to become tyrants regardless. It wasn't just to allow them to hunt. Hell, back then civilians could own a ship bristling with cannon, the equivalent of the battleship of their era.

    The second amendment wasn't intended to be politically correct. It wasnt intended to be polite. It was intended to scare the government. Period. We do not need to do away with weapons that "could kill people" just because they are misused any more than we need to confiscate all cars in the US every time a drunk driver plows into a family.

    We don't confiscate hammers, baseball bats or knives when they are misused... so why we would punish people that didnt commit the crime in the case of guns is not logical.
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  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    The issue with the FEMA camp reports and everything else he states is that anything that gets him attention he will claim to be worth looking at. To me that is not journalism. It is just blatant hype. Wasn't he the one who spent all day on the air claiming big disasters to come during Y2K?
    That is true. one of the ways to tell if he is making it up is to check the web when he says, "Look it up on the web." I sometimes find hundreds of articles about a topic, but they all reference Alex Jones. That means that Alex Jones started that rumor.

    I don't remember Alex Jones ranting about Y2K. But there were literally thousands of other people who were. I understood the Y2K issue, but I also knew that utility companies and others updated the date systems on their computers in the mid-1990s. I wasn't concerned about civilization crashing due to Y2K, but I am concerned about that happening under Obama's increasingly unconstitutional and dictatorial reign. I also know that too many people in his administration have expressed admiration for Castro, Chavez, Stalin and Mao.

    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    We don't confiscate hammers, baseball bats or knives when they are misused... so why we would punish people that didnt commit the crime in the case of guns is not logical.
    It wasn't very long ago when postal workers were the main nuts that were shooting people and "going postal" was a commonly used phrase. I don't remember anyone blaming the guns for those mass shootings.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    That is true. one of the ways to tell if he is making it up is to check the web when he says, "Look it up on the web." I sometimes find hundreds of articles about a topic, but they all reference Alex Jones. That means that Alex Jones started that rumor.

    I don't remember Alex Jones ranting about Y2K. But there were literally thousands of other people who were. I understood the Y2K issue, but I also knew that utility companies and others updated the date systems on their computers in the mid-1990s. I wasn't concerned about civilization crashing due to Y2K, but I am concerned about that happening under Obama's increasingly unconstitutional and dictatorial reign. I also know that too many people in his administration have expressed admiration for Castro, Chavez, Stalin and Mao.

    The main issue I have with Alex Jones: Even if something he said was true, nobody would take him seriously. As a matter of fact: People within the general population would generally speaking disregard something if he was the one associated with it.
    I am also a writer for Serpholic Media. You can find some of my articles here: Serpholic Media Blog

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    The main issue I have with Alex Jones: Even if something he said was true, nobody would take him seriously. As a matter of fact: People within the general population would generally speaking disregard something if he was the one associated with it.
    Agreed. That is exactly why I said that that I sometimes follow him to see what the fringe opinion is about a topic. Alex Jones is afflicted with Chicken Little syndrome. He mostly appeals to people of the same persuasion.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    The main issue I have with Alex Jones: Even if something he said was true, nobody would take him seriously. As a matter of fact: People within the general population would generally speaking disregard something if he was the one associated with it.
    True. Even people that agree with him tend to wanna fact check if they're smart, cause he has a tendency to sound extreme. That doesn't make everything he says wrong of course... but no, he isn't the ideal messenger mostly due to tone. That said, there are plenty with much more mellow tones who get dismissed just because the left hates their message. Glenn Beck comes to mind.
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  9. #109
    Glenn Beck connects all of the dots better that anyone I know. And I have never found anything that he said to be a fabrication--regardless of what the left says. How many times have we seen the liberal media live up to the rule that says if you cannot dispute the message, do your best to smear the credibility of the messenger.

    And there are quite a number of things that Alex Jones says that are verifiable. He just gets off on tangents a little too often because his mistrust of government runs very deep--and based upon what we are currently seeing, it is justified.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    True. Even people that agree with him tend to wanna fact check if they're smart

    Unfortunately this kind of objectivity is very rare. The majority of people that I observed either believe everything he says or none of what he says.
    I am also a writer for Serpholic Media. You can find some of my articles here: Serpholic Media Blog

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