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    Connecticut mass shooting tragedy

    See Police: 20 children among 26 victims of Connecticut school shooting -

    Short version... Some twisted 20-something headcase appears to have got up today, blown away his mom with a gun she owned, then used her vehicle and guns to go to the school mom taught at to blow away 20 or so small children. 26 people died, including the raging ass that finally killed himsrlf.

    To me its the direction things have been headed since the idea of values and morals became unpopular. Sure, why bother to raise your kid when you can just plop him down and let Wii or Nintendo do it?

    To the liberals who created this gun free zone fantasy, where children are protected by the invisible line they draw around schools (which oddly didnt help anyone today)... Its time for more gun laws.
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    That's a very sad day for everybody. People are donating like hell to gun control advocates and it seems like a collective brainwash. More laws will do nothing good, because crazy, mentally ill, and violent people will find other ways to kill or hurt innocent people.


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    Liberals are the only people on the planet who can tell you 5 different places to buy marijuana but think outlawing guns will suddenly make them dissapear.

    I gotta dwi once years back. I didnt hurt anybody, the cops just seemed to not appreciate my choice of sleeping arrangements. Narrow minded, i still think the people behind me at the traffic light coulda just gone around. Anyway, they took away my keys for a while, which is fine... Actions have consequences. What woulda been dumb is if theyd used my offense as a reason to take away the keys from all other drivers, just to be safe.

    That however is the way itd work if we applied liberal "logic" to traffic laws.

    Disarming the law abiding citizens because someone else misused a gun is just tragically shortsighted, and merely ensures that only the bad guys will be armed. Theres a word for that sorta thought: Chicago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    Its time for more gun laws.
    I am lost on the above comment. Please elaborate.

    Yes what happened today was a tragedy. I am just lost on how more gun laws will help. The The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


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    Don't forget that we have the first Attorney General who has openly stated that the Second Amendment does NOT give citizens the right to own guns. All indications are that he was also behind the Fast and Furious gun running operation in an attempt to turn the American public against firearm ownership.

    There have been so many of these mass shooting incidents since Obama took office (16 in 2012 according the one reporter) that I cannot help but think that the government is dispensing psychotic-inducing drugs to borderline nutcases in order to push them over the edge.

    Obama is already calling for more gun control in the coded speech he delivered yesterday. "We are gong to have to come together to do whatever needs to be done to prevent tragedies like this from happening again, regardless of politics." This is pure polito-speak meaning, "Lets confiscate all firearms."

    We are not in Kansas any more, Toto. We are in Obamaland, and things are never what they appear to be.
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    I am wondering how these things can be avoided, do you have any idea?

    Each time there are horrible mass shooting crimes, it is in gun free zones and most of the time the killers took weapons from legally owned family members.

    These questions are for the gun owners:
    Would a mandatory gun safe be acceptable to avoid access to potentially disturbed people living under the same roof when gun owners are not present?

    Would a presence of a qualified trained armed security guard(s) be acceptable in school for first response?

    In my opinion these are perhaps the first smart steps to limit mass killing without falling in the gun confiscation phobia.

    What are your thoughts?

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    There is no way to regulate guns. If you regulate guns, you will create a gun owning elite, plain and simple. When things like this happen, we need to look at how sick our society truly is and look at other societies where they have less of this problem:

    Switzerland for example is one of my favorite examples when it comes to a society that works quite well and there people get trained when and how to use them:

    Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. Switzerland does not have a standing army, instead opting for a peoples' militia for its national defence. The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30 are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.[1] In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.[2] A referendum in February 2011 rejected stricter gun control.[3]

    Gun politics in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    From the same link:

    Police statistics for the year 2006[12] records 34 killings or attempted killings involving firearms, compared to 69 cases involving bladed weapons and 16 cases of unarmed assault. Cases of assault resulting in bodily harm numbered 89 (firearms) and 526 (bladed weapons). As of 2007, Switzerland had a population of about 7,600,000. This would put the rate of killings or attempted killings with firearms at about one for every quarter million residents yearly. This represents a decline of aggravated assaults involving firearms since the early 1990s. The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordnance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.[13]

    The low incidence of gun crime in Switzerland is sometimes attributed to the fact that Switzerland is wealthy but also isolated. Social problems associated with gun crime in other industrialised countries, such as drugs or urban deprivation, are not widespread. Swiss men and women learn from an early age to associate firearms with defense of their country.[14] While Switzerland has a strong 'Gun Culture', and hunting is popular, the high level of support for guns in the home is largely based around the fact that Militia service is such a strong part of Swiss society. In Switzerland the vast majority of gun related deaths are from suicide rather than homicide.[15][16]

    Seems people there take responsibility not just for themselves but their country as well.

    Of course, now the European Union makes sure new gunlaws frustrate Swiss citizens:

    Changes due to the Schengen treaty

    The rules laid out above were changed on 1 December 2008 as Switzerland joined the Schengen treaty; and all member countries must adapt some of their laws to a common standard. Following the draft of the Swiss government for the new Waffengesetz (weapons law), these points will change:

    Unlawful possession of guns will be punished.

    Gun trade among individuals will require a valid weapon acquisition permit. Weapons acquired from an individual in the last ten years (which did not require a weapon acquisition permit) have to be registered. As a central weapons register was politically unfeasible, the authorities hope to get an overview of the market through this registration requirement.

    Every gun must be marked with a registered serial number.

    Airsoft guns and imitations of real guns will also be governed by the new law.

    While the above mentioned "free arms" remain exempt from the weapon acquisition permit, the vendor is required to notify the local arms bureau of the sale.
    I truly wonder how the European Union decides a perfectly safe country would be better off with new laws?

    Oh well, this is how things go. Nothing stays good forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    When things like this happen, we need to look at how sick our society truly is and look at other societies where they have less of this problem:

    Switzerland for example is one of my favorite examples.
    I agree with you that the roots of these problems come from the societal influences of violent games, violent movies, etc where parents do not fulfill the right education and just to go deeper, mostly the society do not allow financially one of the parents to stay home and supervise the kids like they should be.

    That's why in the old days the people were not doing some horrible things like this, human life was respected. Now these days some young people do not make the difference between virtuality and reality.

    Anyway, each time there is a tragic event like this, it is one step foward confiscation because it is often the opportunity for the anti-guns organizations to advance their agenda and some people fall in their propaganda.

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    Sure, the liberals are yelling now for this:
    Let's make all guns illegal....

    First though, they should ask themselves this question:
    How are the laws making meth, heroin, cocaine illegal doing?

    As the old saying goes:
    Make guns criminal to own, and only criminals will own guns.

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    C'mon... They already HAD a "Gun Free Zone" sign up, what more could they possibly do?

    Maybe they need to make the signs bigger. You know, military grade, like the ones we posted in Afghanistan that successfully ended the conflict there by disarming the Taliban and Al Qaida guys.

    You have to be a liberal to think someone bent on murder, which has been illegal since the dawn of civilization, is going to be deterred by a fucking sign. Who puts these idiots in charge? [oh yeah, the voting public. ok, This country is doomed.]
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