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    The US Army has it's own explosive, ammo, etc. plants in the USA.
    Have had for since the start of the civil war or so.

    These plants are not subject to any public oversight, so no telling what and how much they are producing.

    Plus the private companies that produce the rockets, missiles, bombs, etc. for the government.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    I think it is more than that, they already passed the 2 billions and it seems like they keep going to buy more.
    That may be orders, but the have not yet produced that many rounds. The guy I know at Federal says that most of their production is tired up with government orders for the next 5 years, and Federal is a major government ammo contractor.

    The conspiracy theorists think they plan to use the ammo on us in the event of a complete economic collapse and revolution. I think it is just a scheme to dry up the supply of public ammo. Both viewpoints could be right. Remember that nothing that comes out of the Obama administration is as it appears. There is always something behind the smoke and mirrors. That is the Chicago Way. It has kept Democrats in charge of Chicago since 1931, which is the last time Chicago had a Republican mayor.

    The Chicano Way treats voters like mushrooms. Feed them bullshit and keep them in the dark. Everything that we've seen over the past 4 years supports that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    They should build their own ammo plan, so they can make whatever they want.
    That would not help Obama meet the real goal of preventing ammo from getting into consumers' hands by tying up the production with government orders.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    That may be orders, but the have not yet produced that many rounds. The guy I know at Federal says that most of their production is tired up with government orders for the next 5 years, and Federal is a major government ammo contractor.

    The conspiracy theorists think they plan to use the ammo on us in the event of a complete economic collapse and revolution. I think it is just a scheme to dry up the supply of public ammo.
    One thing is sure, they did a pretty good job at drying up the ammo supply. As far as complete economic collapse and revolution, you have to remember that if the elite stay unified, there will be no revolution. All revolutions in history show the same pattern that when a part of the elite split, then there is a great chance for revolution, otherwise people will have to suck it up.

  4. Some folks don't like to hear it, but here is an official of the US government, confessing on CNN that all digital communications are recorded by the US government. All of them.

    It takes on new meaning in the age of IRS investigations into people with dissenting political views, and leaked confidential information from your application forms to your political enemies.


  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by obamanation View Post
    Some folks don't like to hear it, but here is an official of the US government, confessing on CNN that all digital communications are recorded by the US government. All of them.
    Not too surprising. Big Brother and the Thought Police have been watching and listening for quite some time.

    This goes back to the FBI's 1990s Carnivore program and other other snooping systems that were developed. Although Carnivore was reportedly shut down in 2001, other reports say the FBI simply switched over to commercial software applications that are more efficient.

    Carnivore (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The NSA is believed to be the organization recording literally all communications. This is a detailed article about their main facility.

    The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)

    There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that Google is directly involved with the NSA's efforts. Part of this is based upon their March 2012 TOS that literally allows them to collect all information gathered through the use of any Google property (including GMail) to use for whatever purpose they wish and without any user notification. It is also apparent the the Chrome browser is spyware and is actively collecting data. Some people think it may be another form of GoogleBot, but the real purpose might be more sinister (aka Big Brother). Google seems to magically escape almost all law suits related to privacy and copyright theft violations, and when they do get slapped with a fine, it is a pittance.

    I am currently re-reading the book 1984, which I have not read for decades. It is amazing how much of the story has come true today.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  6. #26
    It is not particularly in US, all governments spy on their citizen, some more politically than others.

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    Proctor Chief Turns to Citizens During Ammo Shortage
    Proctor Chief Turns to Citizens During Ammo Shortage | Northland's NewsCenter: News, Weather, Sports | NBC, CBS, MyNetworkTV, and The CW for Duluth MN / Superior WI | Local News

    It is very scary to hear stories like these...I really don't understand why they cannot get what they need from other colleagues or other agencies.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    It is not particularly in US, all governments spy on their citizen, some more politically than others.
    Agreed. The absurdity of their actions when they get caught is the amusing part. In the case of the USA, the Obama administration gets subpenas to spy in reporters in an attempt to figure out where the leak is in their administration. The leak is likely not a matter of national security, as they claim, but rather one of plugging a hole so that the public cannot discover what they are really doing. Then, Obama proposes a shield law to protect reporters from his actions, as if that would stop them from doing it again in the future.

    With Obama, what he says and what he does are almost never the same. Watch what he does, not what he says. He is a slippery as a well-oiled nightcrawler.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    With Obama, what he says and what he does are almost never the same. Watch what he does, not what he says. He is a slippery as a well-oiled nightcrawler.
    I wouldn't throwing any criticism to any President (sure some are better than others), because the real masters of the system are in the shadow. I believe that the bankers are the real masters of any system and they are manipulating everybody for their own interests.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    It is not particularly in US, all governments spy on their citizen, some more politically than others.
    And yet every time a scandal break...
    First the Obama administration (president, Attorney General, IRS head, etc) claim they only found out about the illegal activity the same time we did, when they saw it on the news. THEN everyone at the top goes to hearings and claims they never at any point during time had a clue what their subordinates are engaged in.

    I'm starting to see where we could save a little money
    -1- If the massive intelligence apparatus never tells anyone anything, all we need is the TV news.
    -2- We can remove every dept head and senior administrator, cause per their own testimony they have no clue what's going on in their respective agencies.
    -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. --

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