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  1. Gun Control and weapons made at home

    With all the blather about gun control that got shot down in the Senate, you would figure that the Obama administration would have gotten the message: Disarming the public is impossible, no matter how many laws you create. Nothing short of prison camps, jack booted thugs with badges and assault rifles on every corner, and unlawful searches are even going to come close, and by then, you've already lost any legitimacy as a government.

    Now the US government, like all of our allies who have made criminals of their citizens for gun ownership (the UK, France, Australia), is freaking out about printable weapons. So much so, in fact, that the State Department has ordered the closure of an internet site for disseminating the printable plans. This is exactly the type of application of authoritarian/dictatorial uses of the DNS seizures people feared when the government first started doing them, supposedly in the name of preventing internet piracy.

    Too late. The cat is out of the bag, and now, possession of information is a crime. Notice the 503s coming up from the site.

    DEFCAD

    Of course it is impossible to truly stop the spread of information, so Pirate Bay has taken over the dissemination of the plans.

    Pirate Bay Takes Over Distribution of Censored 3D Printable Gun | TorrentFreak

    Perhaps next our government will shut down the internet for our own safety. What a bunch of asshats. These plans are right now making their way through England, France, Australia, and all the rest of the supposedly "Gun free" zones on the planet. Now we will get a chance to see the benevolence of our kind hearted, liberal representatives in government.

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    There is no way for the government to stop this unless they outlaw guns made out of a certain percentage of plastic. The law could be similar to the law regarding silencers. Example: Make it illegal to build or possess a firearm made from more than 95% non-metallic materials. It has always been easy to find plans for building silencers. It is not illegal to write or possess plans. It is only illegal to build or possess a silencer.

    The gun in the video is not something that anyone could take to a slaughter, nor could it be used for defense. There are some things about that test firing that were not revealed to the media.

    1. It is a single shot and will only fire a low-velocity round. In other words, it cannot withstand very much muzzle pressure.
    2. It can only be used once because the barrel becomes distorted after the first shot due to heat.
    3. It is way too bulky to conceal.
    4. It is currently not any more reliable than a flintlock.

    I could make a better 1-shot firearm out of a piece of pipe, a spring and some simple machining. This was called a zip gun in the 1960s and 1970s. I once had a zip gun. Guys used to make them in shop classes when I was in high school. My dad was a cop years ago and he once confiscated a single shot handgun made from an old metal cap pistol that was originally a kid's toy. Where there is a will, there is a way.

    The current design won't do anything useful. Presumably, the materials used in 3D imaging will improve over time and it may be possible to build a useful weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by obamanation View Post
    Perhaps next our government will shut down the internet for our own safety.
    Don't forget that Obama has requested the right to shut down the Internet if he decides to declare an emergency. It will get shut down if the government drives us into another revolution.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Hey! Someone else remembers and had a zip gun!
    That's right, back in the 50's and 60's, every boy worth calling a boy knew how to make a zip gun and carried one most times.
    Also knew how to make a bolt bomb (two heavy duty bolts and one heavy duty nut).

    But really, the plastic gun?
    How many people will put up about $30,000 for the needed printer and then the needed plastics?
    For a cheap ass one shot thing?
    Much cheaper to either go zip guns, or just purchase a damn good gun legally if one can do so.

    Remember, even potato guns can be turned into deadly weapons.

  4. @Topdogger:
    The structural stability of the plastic is a fairly minor problem, solved with a piece of machined metal tubing for a barrel. With a few engineering touches, these things can be made every bit as effective as products sold over the counter, and nothing at all like a one shot fire and forget zip gun.

    When I was a kid, we used to make cannons out of 4" steel piping. Fueled by some gas from a easy to purchase oxy-acetylene, torch, we had a product that could shoot a jumbo sized can dog food half a mile. We also undertook building a concrete mounted trebuchet to sling bowling balls several city blocks, but never finished.

    I find this story concerning for two reasons.

    1) There is no such thing as a gun free zone, and the quality of the guns everyone will possess just got better. Silencers are illegal, but you really think criminals don't make and use silencers?
    2) Dissemination of information is protected by the first amendment. Period. I always hear the "irresponsible speech" argument, involving shouting fire in a movie theater (which is perfectly legal), but these guys didn't exactly publish a recipe to make sarin or ricin from household items(though those recipes are certainly not difficult to obtain). They published a design for a gun, in a country where gun ownership is protected by a constitutional amendment. The constitutional amendment, mind you, immediately following the one that protects free speech.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    But really, the plastic gun?
    How many people will put up about $30,000 for the needed printer and then the needed plastics?
    RapMan 3.2 3D Printer Kit | Bits From Bytes

    $1800 to build your own. The price on these things is already dropping, as it does with all things tech. The palette of materials they can use is also expanding. I believe carbon fiber is already available.

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    Small useless printer for that price!
    See the print size?
    Forget that one.

    The ones that printed out the gun paid $8,000 for a used printer.

    But still my point is, who needs to print out a gun?
    There is enough available material in any garage, landfill, junkyard, etc. to make a gun that not only works, but can shoot again and again.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    But still my point is, who needs to print out a gun?
    There is enough available material in any garage, landfill, junkyard, etc. to make a gun that not only works, but can shoot again and again.
    Completely agree. And once one arrives at that conclusion, the more important question becomes, why is the government shutting down websites that supply the blueprints for a printed gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by obamanation View Post
    The structural stability of the plastic is a fairly minor problem, solved with a piece of machined metal tubing for a barrel. With a few engineering touches, these things can be made every bit as effective as products sold over the counter, and nothing at all like a one shot fire and forget zip gun.
    The complete undetectability of the model used in the video by metal detectors or x-ray is what makes the ant-gun nuts go ballistic. Banning these types of guns will make the Libs feel good. It will not accomplish anything, but they will feel good.

    Quote Originally Posted by obamanation View Post
    When I was a kid, we used to make cannons out of 4" steel piping.
    We didn't do anything on that scale, but we did make rockets oout of empty CO2 cartridges filled with match heads. Add a fuse, light it and drop it down a pipe. Ka-boom!

    Quote Originally Posted by obamanation View Post
    1) There is no such thing as a gun free zone, and the quality of the guns everyone will possess just got better.
    Gun free zone = free fire safe zone for mental cases. Recent history has proven that beyond any doubt. No one is made safer in a gun free zone. It is another useless feel good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by obamanation View Post
    Silencers are illegal, but you really think criminals don't make and use silencers?
    I didn't say a law banning undetectable guns would stop anything, but that it what is probably coming next. Gun control laws are mostly "feel good" laws that don't really prevent any crimes, because law-abiding citizens do not commit gun crimes. They will pass a law and then think that they have done something useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    But still my point is, who needs to print out a gun?
    There is enough available material in any garage, landfill, junkyard, etc. to make a gun that not only works, but can shoot again and again.
    That is a very good point. Anyone can buy plastic stock and build a duplicate of that gun with simple hand tools. You do not need a 3D printer. ABS plastic is much stronger than anything you can use with a 3D printer.

    I looked at the 3D printers at the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas back in January. There were $3,000 models that could reproduce that gun. The problems are that you are currently limited to the plastic materials provided by the 3D printer manufacturers. All the new models use cartridge technology, so you do not have a choice of materials. Most of the prototypes that I looked at that were produced either felt very brittle or very soft. It also takes a very long time to produce each component. One of the manufactures had a model of a 1911 that they produced, but it wasn't a shooter.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Gun crimes have actually plummeted from what they were 20 years ago. This has been especially true since Obama took office and the people started purchasing record numbers of firearms in anticipation of his support of the the anti-gun nuts. Obama has been the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry.

    Bullet point: Gun crimes dropping, despite public perception | Fox News

    More guns in private hands = much lower crime rates.

    You would never know this by listening to the main steam Liberal media.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  10. #10
    Speaking of gun control and stuff made home, did you see how empty the shelves are in ammo retail stores? Man, there is almost nothing left. Even gun enthousiasts reloading their home made cartridges have difficulty to find components. The other day I was surfing on several sites, the reloading equipment took also expodential price tags.

    It seems like they are drying up the ammo and components market.

    Do you think it is a way some gun control advocates bypassed the 2A?

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