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    House Republicans to push $40 billion cut to food stamp program

    House Republicans plan to seek a $40 billion cut in food stamps for the poor, the head of the House Agriculture Committee said on Thursday, double the amount previously sought by conservatives.
    The plan was quickly condemned by Democrats.
    Chairman Frank Lucas said the legislation on food stamps, formally named Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), would be the second part of any talks with the Senate on a new U.S. farm law costing $100 billion a year.
    Food stamps, the largest U.S. anti-hunger program, are the pivotal issue for the farm bill. One in seven Americans received food stamps at latest count.
    Republicans say the program, whose enrollment soared after the 2008-09 recession, is unbearably expensive at $78 billion a year. Democrats such as Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts say food stamps mitigate hunger in a still-weak economy.
    Lucas, an Oklahoma Republican, told lobbyists in a speech that a Republican working group agreed on cuts expected to total $40 billion. The provisions would include drug tests of applicants and tougher work rules, Lucas indicated.
    The House would vote on food stamps before opening negotiations with the Senate, probably in September, on a final version of the farm bill. Senate Agriculture chairwoman Debbie Stabenow, Democrat of Michigan, said time was running short to enact a bill before the current law expires on September 30.
    "It makes no sense to see continued political gamesmanship," said Stabenow. She said the $40 billion package would appease Tea Party Republicans but never become law. "I believe it's an effort to stop a farm bill from being passed."
    Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota, the Democratic leader on the House Agriculture Committee, said the deeper cuts and "poison pill nutrition amendments" sought by Republicans "effectively kills any hopes" for a long-term farm bill.
    On June 20, the House defeated a farm bill that included $20 billion in food stamp cuts over 10 years, the deepest cuts in a generation, primarily because it was not enough to satisfy conservatives. Some 62 Republicans voted against the bill.
    "We'll see if they change their minds," said Lucas when asked if $40 billion could win enough support to pass. All but two dozen Democrats voted against $20 billion in cuts.
    The House passed a farm bill on a party-line vote on July 11 that was limited to agricultural support programs and left out food stamps altogether. The two elements are typically twinned, as they were in the Senate version that was passed in June.
    Lucas said staff-level work toward reconciling the two chambers' bills would continue during the August recess - "pre-conferencing" before formal negotiations commence.
    "I think we'll make great progress," he said.
    The Senate bill called for $4 billion in cuts to the food stamp program. Because of the huge difference between the two versions, "this may be one of those issues that ultimately needs a little guidance from on high," Lucas said, referring to Republican House Speaker John Boehner and Harry Reid, the Democratic Senate Majority Leader.
    One of the food stamp reforms sought by Republicans would require recipients to work or enroll in a job-training class. Sponsor Steve Southerland of Florida said "we have done a disservice" if people do not move into the workforce.
    Southerland's amendment would disqualify people who cannot find work during times of high unemployment and does not provide money for training programs, said the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, a think-tank.
    The center said many food stamp families hold jobs and that able-bodied adults without young children are limited to three months of benefits in 36 months if they do not have a job.
    Food stamp costs will fall in November with expiration of a temporary, 13 percent increase that was part of the 2009 economic stimulus package. Outlays would drop by $5 billion in fiscal 2014. For a family of four, benefits would drop by $36 a month.
    House Republicans to push $40 billion cut to food stamp program | Reuters

    Ok, I think it is a mistake and some of you may disagree with me on this.

    How can Republican push for such a thing when 85% of hired people are part time? Would it be smarter to phase out a program like this by starting hiring people full time?


    Now I am going to talk a bit of economy. Real inflation (not the one told in manipulated statistics) is the most vicious tax on people that affecting the most vulnerable. Also the inflation is increasing faster than the wages, that's why we have less buying power. The reality is that the prices aren't increasing, in fact the money worth less.

    What is your take on this?
    Last edited by Franc Tireur; 21 September, 2013 at 19:59 PM.
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    Two points:

    1) That scary $40 billion figure is the reduction for the next 10 years. The actual annual reduction is $4 billion over that period.

    2) A $4 billion per year reduction is a fairly small percentage of the $78 billion total federal cost (in 2012, probably higher now) of the program.

    Economic recovery should reduce demand starting in 2014, CBO says By Mike Shields
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    Aug. 27, 2012

    TOPEKA — The cost of the food stamp program has grown dramatically in the past 10 years, according to a recent report from the Congressional Budget Office.
    After major growth early last decade, according to the CBO, outlays for the program more than doubled in the past five years alone, going from $30 billion to about $78 billion.
    Source: Cost of food stamp program has soared | Kansas Health Institute

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Barr View Post
    Two points:

    1) That scary $40 billion figure is the reduction for the next 10 years. The actual annual reduction is $4 billion over that period.

    2) A $4 billion per year reduction is a fairly small percentage of the $78 billion total federal cost (in 2012, probably higher now) of the program.


    Source: Cost of food stamp program has soared | Kansas Health Institute
    Thanks Bob, yeah it is not exactly the same, but it is still difficult to understand that cuts without creating more jobs will be efficient and will not cause other unintended problems.

    If I dig a little bit in historic crisis, Presidents of United States did some great programs to create jobs and teach new skills to the people in need, sadly today people get along and find whatever they can to survive, others are educated but underpaid.

    Today the globalization take its toll on workers, tomorrow perhaps it will be the engineers, the very skilled people put in competition with emergent countries, so their engineers, and the very skilled people will be cheaper to hire.

    So what is the solution?
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

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    The real problem is that food stamp fraud, welfare fraud, ObamaPhone fraud and Social Security Disability fraud have become widespread under Obama.

    There are more people getting food stamps than there are full time workers in the USA.

    This is all a typical Cloward and Priven strategy that they laid out as the best way to destroy a capitalist system to make way for socialism.

    Cloward–Piven strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All the Republicans really need to do is to point out all of the evidence of fraud and the real American taxpayers will line up behind them to fight fraud. The way that they do it almost always misses the mark and, in this case, allows the Democrats to paint them as cruel and uncaring. Yeah, the way they are doing it is all wrong.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    The real problem is that food stamp fraud, welfare fraud, ObamaPhone fraud and Social Security Disability fraud have become widespread under Obama.

    There are more people getting food stamps than there are full time workers in the USA.

    This is all a typical Cloward and Priven strategy that they laid out as the best way to destroy a capitalist system to make way for socialism.

    Cloward–Piven strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All the Republicans really need to do is to point out all of the evidence of fraud and the real American taxpayers will line up behind them to fight fraud. The way that they do it almost always misses the mark and, in this case, allows the Democrats to paint them as cruel and uncaring. Yeah, the way they are doing it is all wrong.
    Hold on there

    I think you are missing the point, the real problem is that politicians are supposed to protect the people and the country, don't do their job. When you let 3 + millions jobs going overseas and nobody say squat beside the workers, there is a huge problem!

    If there are more people getting food stamps, it means that there are not enough jobs created. When you read any newspaper, they are very happy to announce 160,000 job creations, in fact it is the amount of people that need to be replaced because they take their retirement. So 160k jobs is just replacement, not creation of new jobs!

    I will be vary on the words capitalist system.There is the best advantage of socialism at the top for the elites with bail outs, and printing money from thin air, and true inconvenient of capitalism for the people?

    What they have to do is going after financial frauds that costed the country nearly the bankruptcy, you can start by all the trillions of dollars that disappeared.

    I invite you to do a little bit research and believe me, the food stamps story is a drop compared to the trillions people defrauded this country. " US Government Missing $ Trillion " Solari | The Missing Money
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

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    Of course you are correct. There are not enough jobs being created. Obama does not have a clue regarding how to create jobs unless they are federal government jobs.

    The Republicans submitted over 30 jobs bills in the Senate during Obama's first term, but all were squashed by Harry Reid and none were brought to the floor for a vote.

    Something that most people do not realize is that there is not a single person on Obama's team, including all his czars, who has ever started or owned a business. A few have worked for existing companies, but most have only worked in the public sector their entire lives. This is the first time in the history of the USA that this has happened.

    He does have a Jobs Czar (Jeffrey Immelt) who is also the CEO of General Electric. While while serving as czar he moved GE's X-Ray division to China. I occasionally hear him chastising business owners for not creating more jobs, but have never heard him offer a plan for creating jobs (except in China). GE also pays zero federal taxes on billion in profits. These types of advisers are part of the problem. Obama frequently states that businesses are making record profits and should create more jobs. I don't know of any business that is making record profits unless they are a government contractor. A major part of the problem is Obama's hostile view towards business and utter lack of knowledge in this area.

    The Jobs Czar: General Electric's Jeffrey Immelt - CBS News

    My point is that the people who are cheating the system are stealing from the American taxpayers.That amount far exceeds the piddling amount the Republicans are trying to remove from the budgets. Most of the cheaters are not doing it because they need to. No one needs 3 or more ObamaPhones. They are doing it because it has become easy to do so. No rational thinker would believe that over 20% more people have become disabled since Obama took office. That has become a good way to remove someone from the work rolls, which makes them a government dependent and reduces the unemployment figure. The only people who lose are the taxpayers who foot the bill. Because of this, the Social Security Disability system is expected to go broke in 2016.

    Disabled Americans Shrink Size of U.S. Labor Force

    These programs should be available for those who need them, and not for those who wish to steal or simply make their lives easier.

    As a black friend in Chicago told me years ago, "It's only stealing when you steal from family. It ain't stealing when you take from whitey, and it sho' ain't stealing when you take from the government."
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    My point is that the people who are cheating the system are stealing from the American taxpayers.
    Perhaps I will play double advocate there. How do you steal from American taxpayers, when you know that money is created from thin air?

    These programs should be available for those who need them, and not for those who wish to steal or simply make their lives easier.
    The whole thing is a mess from all directions.

    Just to go back on how the people in charge are losing track of trillions of dollars.

    Here is a retrospective of an audit in Congress with the inspector general of the federal reserve who lost track of 9 trillions $, I guess you remember this incredible event.

    Last edited by Franc Tireur; 23 September, 2013 at 15:47 PM.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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