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    Libertarians Are the New Communists

    Most people would consider radical libertarianism and communism polar opposites: The first glorifies personal freedom. The second would obliterate it. Yet the ideologies are simply mirror images. Both attempt to answer the same questions, and fail to do so in similar ways. Where communism was adopted, the result was misery, poverty and tyranny. If extremist libertarians ever translated their beliefs into policy, it would lead to the same kinds of catastrophe.
    Let’s start with some definitions. By radical libertarianism, we mean the ideology that holds that individual liberty trumps all other values. By communism, we mean the ideology of extreme state domination of private and economic life.
    Some of the radical libertarians are Ayn Rand fans who divide their fellow citizens into makers, in the mold of John Galt, and takers, in the mold of anyone not John Galt.
    Some, such as the Koch brothers, are economic royalists who repackage trickle-down economics as “libertarian populism.” Some are followers of Texas Senator Ted Cruz, whose highest aspiration is to shut down government. Some resemble the anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, who has made a career out of trying to drown, stifle or strangle government.
    Yes, liberty is a core American value, and an overweening state can be unhealthy. And there are plenty of self-described libertarians who have adopted the label mainly because they support same-sex marriage or decry government surveillance. These social libertarians aren’t the problem. It is the nihilist anti-state libertarians of the Koch-Cruz-Norquist-Paul (Ron and Rand alike) school who should worry us.
    Human Nature

    Like communism, this philosophy is defective in its misreading of human nature, misunderstanding of how societies work and utter failure to adapt to changing circumstances. Radical libertarianism assumes that humans are wired only to be selfish, when in fact cooperation is the height of human evolution. It assumes that societies are efficient mechanisms requiring no rules or enforcers, when, in fact, they are fragile ecosystems prone to collapse and easily overwhelmed by free-riders. And it is fanatically rigid in its insistence on a single solution to every problem: Roll back the state!
    Communism failed in three strikingly similar ways. It believed that humans should be willing cogs serving the proletariat. It assumed that societies could be run top-down like machines. And it, too, was fanatically rigid in its insistence on an all-encompassing ideology, leading to totalitarianism.
    Radical libertarianism, if ever put into practice at the scale of something bigger than a tiny enclave, would also be a disaster.
    We say the conditional “would” because radical libertarianism has a fatal flaw: It can’t be applied across a functioning society. What might radical libertarians do if they actually had power? A President Paul would rule by tantrum, shutting down the government in order to repeal laws already passed by Congress. A Secretary Norquist would eliminate the Internal Revenue Service and progressive taxation, so that the already wealthy could exponentially compound their advantage, as the programs that sustain a prosperous middle class are gutted. A Koch domestic policy would obliterate environmental standards for clean air and water, so that polluters could externalize all their costs onto other people.
    Radical libertarians would be great at destroying. They would have little concept of creating or governing. It is in failed states such as Somalia that libertarianism finds its fullest actual expression.
    Extreme Positions

    Some libertarians will claim we are arguing against a straw man and that no serious adherent to their philosophy advocates the extreme positions we describe. The public record of extreme statements by the likes of Cruz, Norquist and the Pauls speaks for itself. Reasonable people debate how best to regulate or how government can most effectively do its work -- not whether to regulate at all or whether government should even exist.
    The alternative to this extremism is an evolving blend of freedom and cooperation. The relationship between social happiness and economic success can be plotted on a bell curve, and the sweet spot is away from the extremes of either pure liberty or pure communitarianism. That is where true citizenship and healthy capitalism are found.
    True citizenship enables a society to thrive for precisely the reasons that communism and radical libertarianism cannot. It is based on a realistic conception of human nature that recognizes we must cooperate to be able compete at higher levels. True citizenship means changing policy to adapt to changes in circumstance. Sometimes government isn’t the answer. Other times it is.
    If the U.S. is to continue to adapt and evolve, we have to see that freedom isn’t simply the removal of encumbrance, or the ability to ignore inconvenient rules or limitations. Freedom is responsibility. Communism failed because it kept citizens from taking responsibility for governing themselves. By preaching individualism above all else, so does radical libertarianism.
    It is one thing to oppose intrusive government surveillance or the overreach of federal programs. It is another to call for the evisceration of government itself. Let’s put radical libertarianism into the dustbin of history, along with its cousin communism.
    (Nick Hanauer is a founder of Second Avenue Partners, a venture capital company in Seattle specializing in early-stage startups and emerging technology. He has founded or financed dozens of companies, including aQuantive Inc. and Amazon.com. Eric Liu is the founder of Citizen University and a former White House speechwriter and deputy domestic policy adviser to President Bill Clinton. They are co-authors of “The Gardens of Democracy.”
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    Last edited by Franc Tireur; 5 July, 2014 at 15:47 PM.
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    The United States started out as a Libertarian country, but over the past 50 years has migrated too close to Progressive Socialism, which is modern day Communism. We need to find a balance in the middle.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    The United States started out as a Libertarian country, but over the past 50 years has migrated too close to Progressive Socialism, which is modern day Communism. We need to find a balance in the middle.
    That's right TD, The US was a Libertarian country at the beginning, and it wasn't surprising that the founding fathers of this great country were Libertarian.

    People have some hard time to understand that the Socialism model is not sustainable. Social welfare could be envisaged only temporary for a healthy society, in the other hand Capitalism should be well balanced, not what we have today with peanuts wages. Look at the western socialism today, all countries with this philosophy are heavily in debt, and who have interests to put countries in debt? Follow the money...oops the banking cartel again

    Once again, this article is a provocation to divide the people to more control them, I wouldn't surprise that this article was written by the neoconservatives.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    Libertarians Are the New Communists - Rebutted!

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. -- Margaret Thatcher

    We cannot take from a productive group of people to encourage less productive people to be even less productive.

    I don't have an issue with anyone who makes a billion dollars as long as they do it honestly. There is nothing dirty, immoral or unethical about that. But there is something wrong when people think that part of the successful person's earnings belong to people who have accomplished little or nothing productive with their lives. I know way too many bums who are living on the public dole. That means I am working so they can sit home and do nothing.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    We cannot take from a productive group of people to encourage less productive people to be even less productive.
    I will say that the right to work as an human being is a universal fundamental right. So you cannot take the job from Paul to give to William, in other word, the globalism deprave people from this fundamental right.

    Now we can speculate on who is more productive than others, like the banking cartel creating the money from thin air, the subsidies given to the corporations, farmers, etc (money taken from the taxpayers), Free Trade Zones (tax free zones depraving tax from states, and cities), the bails out, the wars money used to consolidate some geopolitical crude oil territories for the multi national petroleum corporations, etc

    More these systems are corrupted, and more it will create arbitrary judgements, which mean the law for the people and above the law for the ruling elite. The true paradigm shows the republic democracy paradox.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I don't have an issue with anyone who makes a billion dollars as long as they do it honestly.
    Unfortunately, whose who make billions are not doing it honestly. You should listen to Catherine Austin, she explain how things are engineered.

    Former Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush Catherine Austin Fitts blows the whistle on how the financial terrorists have deliberately imploded the US economy and transferred gargantuan amounts of wealth offshore as a means of sacrificing the American middle class.

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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