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    Obama is doing a great job.. the results are going to be shown in a long term, just be patient

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    The following is being circulated and is probably the most accurate account of what happened. There is also a lengthy, detailed version that pretty says the same thing. The lengthy version details the frustration that the military commanders had with Obama (BHO). ROE means Rules of Engagement. RIB stands for Rigid Inflatable Boat.

    1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

    2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger

    3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction

    4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approach ed with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.

    5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams

    6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies

    7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behavior. As usual with him, it's BS.

    So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performance to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.


    FYI. Just like with Bill Clinton, our people in the military have little respect for BHO. The military does not like grandstanders.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    I have not read any of that. D-...... are you for real?

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    The islamist militants in Somolia are capturing cities again. I guess it won't be long before there are al Qaeda pirates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    The islamist militants in Somolia are capturing cities again. I guess it won't be long before there are al Qaeda pirates.
    It's hard to tell which skinny is the militant and which skinny is the leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homebizseo View Post
    I have not read any of that. D-...... are you for real?
    The D- wasn't my score. I don't know if the story is real or not, but when you match the story to the circumstances, it fits perfectly. The captain was held hostage for 4 days. The seal snipers were there and could have taken the skinnies out at any time. They didn't take the shot when the captain jumped overboard when he tried to escape. Those items have been in the news.

    The liberal press is more than willing to play up anything that goes right with BO, and suppress information about anything questionable.

    I'm glad it went right, but I give give the credit to the Navy seals, not BO. You probably would not have heard anything about an Obama order if it had gone bad.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Somalia had a population of 3.3 million in the 1975 census. The population today is 10 million and growing. The population of Africa is projected to reach 2 billion in the next 25 years.

    The ships loaded with goods passing by the coasts are tempting targets.

    The total population of Africa is estimated at 922 million (as of 2005). It has doubled over the past 28 years, and has quadrupled over the past 55 years (UN estimates [2]). Population is projected to reach one billion before 2010
    Demographics of Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    Somalia had a population of 3.3 million in the 1975 census. The population today is 10 million and growing. The population of Africa is projected to reach 2 billion in the next 25 years.
    Almost any sociology professor will tell you that the checks and balances have been out of wack in 3rd world countries due to improved medical care and food donations. It may sound cruel, but the natural order of things in Africa includes regular cycles of drought, plague and famine. This has kept the population growth in check for thousands of years.

    At one time, a woman had 10 children with the hope that 2 or 3 would survive to take care of them when they got older. They were fortunate if a few survived into adulthood. Today, almost all survive, which accounts for the rapid population growth and widespread poverty. But even though more children are surviving, the mentality of the people is hard to break. They still think they need to have 10 children, because more children traditionally meant more hands to work for the family and more security.

    This is a perfect example of the Law of Unintended Consequences. Sometimes when you go into a country to do a good thing, like provide food and medical care, it just makes the overall long-term situation worse.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Almost any sociology professor will tell you that the checks and balances have been out of wack in 3rd world countries due to improved medical care and food donations. It may sound cruel, but the natural order of things in Africa includes regular cycles of drought, plague and famine. This has kept the population growth in check for thousands of years.

    At one time, a woman had 10 children with the hope that 2 or 3 would survive to take care of them when they got older. They were fortunate if a few survived into adulthood. Today, almost all survive, which accounts for the rapid population growth and widespread poverty. But even though more children are surviving, the mentality of the people is hard to break. They still think they need to have 10 children, because more children traditionally meant more hands to work for the family and more security.

    This is a perfect example of the Law of Unintended Consequences. Sometimes when you go into a country to do a good thing, like provide food and medical care, it just makes the overall long-term situation worse.
    I'm not sure how much food aid plays into the formula. In places like Gaza 100% of the population is receiving foreign aid. Gaza has the highest growth rate in the world. Mostly due to the fact that you are going to be in the same state of poverty no matter how many children you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    I'm not sure how much food aid plays into the formula. In places like Gaza 100% of the population is receiving foreign aid. Gaza has the highest growth rate in the world. Mostly due to the fact that you are going to be in the same state of poverty no matter how many children you have.
    And they will never break the cycle until they learn to be self-sufficient. The point is that foreign aid exasperates the problem in the long run. It breaks the natural cycle that keeps the population in check. Unless the people in Gaza learn to control their growth rate, their problems can never be solved. Without the food aid, a large percentage of the population would be starving to death, and the growth would be discouraged and curtailed.

    Give a Man a Fish, Feed Him For a Day. Teach a Man to Fish, Feed Him For a Lifetime

    There are other factors associated with the growth rate in Gaza. At one time Gaza was sparsely populated. The high rate of growth appears to be intentional to keep the world pressure upon Israel. If the Muslim world wanted to help reduce poverty in Gaza (at least temporarily), they would each take in a portion of the Gaza population, but no Muslim country does that.

    Creating another Palestinian state (the first was Jordan) in the Middle East won't help the situation either, because the dynamics of the problem do not change. They will still be another welfare state.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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