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    Oddly, Bolton sides with ignoring the bill of rights

    Usually Amb John Bolton is someone I'd agree with, but he seems to be making the argument that we need to keep federal judges out of the business of telling the NSA they can't violate the bill of rights.

    See John Bolton: Federal Court's NSA Ruling Sends US on 'Road to Doom'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amb John Bolton
    "Let me tell you something, whatever you think of the NSA program, when we have federal judges making national security decisions, we are on the road to doom. They are the last people that ought to be deciding what can keep America safe. That’s for the elected branches of government."
    I DO want Federal courts to call a spade a spade when the executive branch violates the constitution. That's their job.

    Frankly I'm very tired of people trying to argue it's OK for the Feds to ignore the bill of rights as long as they mean well. Some of us fell for that argument when Bush pushed the Patriot Act... and now we have the Patriot Act PLUS its steroid powered older brother, the NDAA, in the hands of an Executive branch that has repeatedly proven untrustworthy with power.
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    I don't have a problem with the spy programs with the correct intent of rooting out terrorist activities, but I draw the line when it comes to personal vendettas and abuses from a president and attorney general who have zero respect for The Constitution. They do not recognize that The Constitution was put in place to protect us from presidents and attorney generals like them.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    testing testing
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    Our founders never envisioned a strong presidency, it was created "weak" on purpose. They had the wisdom of looking at power with an eye toward what it'd be like in the hands of a leader they didnt trust. The current crop of americans cant see past the last election, and forgets unconstitutional moves they'll allow because they trust the one in office are still dangerous precedents.


    An example is the current habit of allowing executive orders to be used to rule by fiat. Exec orders should only be used to pass on logistical direction to the exec branch, not to usurp legislative powers.


    Add the NDAA, the Patriot Act, and a handful of Obama's executive orders... you have a potential dictator in control of everything and not bound by the safeties found in the bill of rights. It's a serious butt-puckerer if you look at the big picture... and we'll be damned lucky if it doesn't come back to bite us. Whether in this administration or one soon to come, our inattention to the safeguards of liberty will cost us our freedom.
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    Any American politicians against the Bill of rights, or saying that the Constitution is too old, etc are not the real politicians representing The People, but instead representing their own personal goals, specials interests, etc
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    In actual effect, that'd be the bulk of both parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    An example is the current habit of allowing executive orders to be used to rule by fiat. Exec orders should only be used to pass on logistical direction to the exec branch, not to usurp legislative powers.
    A US president has no authority to create or alter any law. Executive orders were intended to allow the president to give directions to Federal employees during times of crisis. Legally, they cannot effect anyone except Federal employees. Some of our weak-kneed politicians need to challenge Obummer on this. I do not really understand why they do not. It would make them look like they are doing something to support our rights.

    The worst abuses to our Constitution and executive orders were under FDR. I think the current clown in charge is trying to break that record.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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