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    The Religion Problem

    Now there are yet more serious war-like problems caused by religious conflicts around the world such as in Nigeria and Israel. I am really proud of my fellow Brit. Richard Dawkins to challenge religious beliefs and promote a more scientific approach to the understanding of life, and the universe. In particular, he targets the Catholic church as most evil I think.

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    The fact that a hardcore atheist like Richard Dawkins attacks religion does not surprise me. But it doesn't make much sense to attack the Catholic Church as the most evil religion. The Catholic Church has been pretty tame for centuries. Every religion has a non-scientific approach to the understanding of life. It is ridiculous to call any religion evil just because their view of when life begins differs from Dawkins' view. Science cannot tell us when life actually begins. Is it when a cell begins to multiply in the mother or is it when that the fully formed infant takes its first breath? Both are stages in the formation of a living being.

    I am not a religious person, but I see religion as having a calming or controlling effect on society by placing moral and ethical restrictions on people's behavior. Without any religious beliefs or fear of punishment in the afterlife, societies easily become crime-ridden, chaotic and out of control.

    The Christian Church may have engaged in evil during the Spanish Inquisition several hundred years ago, as well as their conquests of Latin America. Both could be viewed as Spanish issues, and not Christianity because Christianity never called for the conquest of nations in the name of religion. Only one religion advocates that. That same religion has massacred more people in the name of religion than all others combined. Islam has been killing not only infidels but also fellow Muslims ever since Mohammad died in 632. I think the last figure I saw was for 2012 when there were 73 armed conflicts throughout the world. 71 has Muslims on one or both sides. If you want to see pure evil in its modern form, read about the new ISIS uprising in Iraq and Syria. This is only one of many Islamic uprisings the name of religion that occurred over the past 13 centuries. Read about the Moors and their sweep across Eastern Europe almost thousand years ago. We are still dealing with conflicts as a result of that.

    Israel's beliefs are not the root of the problems in that area. The Israelis are the only side that actually seeks peace. About 9 years ago the Israelis returned all the occupied lands in Gaza and forcibly removed Israeli settlers in exchange for a promise of peace from the Palestinians. The Israelis lived up to their part of the agreement. The Palestinians never did. You cannot blame Israel for retaliating when thousands of rockets are lobbed into their country without any provocation. Their retaliation has nothing to do with religion.

    I've always observed that humans are naturally attracted to conflict, at least on a political level. When different races try to coexist, there is always racial tension. When few physical differences exist, religion becomes the point of conflict. As much as humans claim to seek peace, we never quite get there.
    Last edited by TopDogger; 27 July, 2014 at 21:08 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy101 View Post
    Now there are yet more serious war-like problems caused by religious conflicts around the world such as in Nigeria and Israel. He targets the Catholic church as most evil I think.
    I think respecting one's belief will do for this religion war issues. There is no perfect in this world and I would say that every person in this land has its own evil side.

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    I am not a religious person, but I see religion as having a calming or controlling effect on society by placing moral and ethical restrictions on people's behavior. Without any religious beliefs or fear of punishment in the afterlife, societies easily become crime-ridden, chaotic and out of control.
    That was one of the questions posed to Dawkins, and I side with him in that intelligent people will work out a comfortable way to co-exist without being told what to do by a religious leader. Maybe in ancient times with tribes and lack of communication and twin-cities etc. it would be more difficult to get along with the neighbors? Thinking about the vikings visiting Britain here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy101 View Post
    That was one of the questions posed to Dawkins, and I side with him in that intelligent people will work out a comfortable way to co-exist without being told what to do by a religious leader. Maybe in ancient times with tribes and lack of communication and twin-cities etc. it would be more difficult to get along with the neighbors? Thinking about the vikings visiting Britain here
    That may incorrectly assumes that most people are intelligent and are not try to take what their neighbors have. Humans have a "mob mentality". Most individuals are peaceful, but most feel powerless. When they gather in large groups they gain power, which compels them to do things they would normally not do.

    The problem with religion comes into play when zealots misinterpret the teachings of their religion as a mandate to oppress other people or take what they have in the name of religion. The Christians did have their Crusades, their Inquisitions, and overly aggressive missionaries, but that was hundreds of years ago. They have matured and got past those stages. Anyone who calls the Catholic religion of today evil is probably too gutless to address the real evils of religion that are causing strife across most of the planet today. We are in the midst of a religious uprising, and it has nothing to do with Catholics. It has everything to do with mob mentality and will get worse if it is allowed to grow. It is allowed to grow through "political correctness", which I call the real evil in the world. Political correctness surpasses our desires to do things we would normally do that provide common sense solutions.

    The Vikings past visits to Britain is interesting. That was also due to mob mentality. In those days a country gained wealth by taking it from others. If you read the book "Poland" by James Michener you will be convinced that they were probably the most conquered country in the world. Periodically the knights of Germany would declare Poland a pagan country and attack them in the name of religion, even though Poland was one of the most Christian countries in Europe. Mob mentality at work. They twisted the facts to justify their desire for conquest.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Time frames are relative, so a person that studies evolution will have a much slower time tick than the reactionary prayer devotee. Of course the mob rules - I learned that from Black Sabbath back in my heavy metal days in Brum, and whilst dodging the football hooligans in North London, Bradford, and Glasgow.

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