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    The Ron Paul Movement

    Ron Paul's Liberty Movement Spreads in Congress

    The retirement of Congressman Ron Paul from the House of Representatives last week did not end the Texas libertarian's influence in Congress. And if the first week of the new Congress is any indication, his influence has only multiplied. Congressman Paul's battles to audit and ultimately abolish the Federal Reserve Bank have been picked up by his former colleague Paul Broun of Georgia, who scored 92 percent on The New American's “Freedom Index” in the last Congress. “I applaud Congressman Paul’s efforts. He was fighting for liberty,” Broun told The Hill newspaper, which covers Congress from Washington, D.C. The story, entitled “Georgia's Broun keeps Ron Paul's anti-Fed mission alive in new Congress,” details how Broun — like former Congressman Paul, a medical doctor — has continued the anti-Fed mantra of Ron Paul. “My plan is to pick up right where Congressman Paul left off,” Broun said on his congressional website, “I’m just going to stand on his shoulders and go forward in that same fight.” Broun's bill to audit the Fed, which is identical to Paul's bill in the last Congress, is H.R. 24. Broun has also introduced legislation to fully repeal the Federal Reserve Act and abolish the Federal Reserve Bank (H.R. 73) and a bill to withdraw U.S. membership in the United Nations (H.R. 75) — causes championed by Dr. Paul.
    The influence of Dr. Paul could also be seen in the vote on House Speaker January 3. Although Dr. Paul didn't vote against John Boehner as speaker two years ago, he was so frequently a lone vote of dissent against his own party he obtained the nickname “Dr. No” in the House. On January 3, some 13 Republican congressmen declined to vote for Boehner, many of whom got their start with the Ron Paul movement or were endorsed by Paul in the most recent election.
    Those 13 Republicans who voted against Boehner as speaker included veteran Representative Walter Jones (“Freedom Index” 97 percent), who was probably more influenced by Ron Paul than any other member of Congress, as well as freshmen Ted Yoho of Florida, Thomas Massie of Kentucky, and Steve Stockman of Texas. Yoho, Massie, and Stockman received an endorsement from Paul and a contribution from Paul's PAC in the past election.
    In addition, the new dean of the libertarian movement in Congress — Michigan's Justin Amash — voted against Boehner. Amash wrote that he was “proud to vote for Congressman Raúl R. Labrador for Speaker of the House of Representatives. Raúl would defend liberty and work honestly with Democrats on debt reduction. We must act now for the sake of our next generation.” Amash scored 92 percent on The New American's “Freedom Index” in the last Congress as a freshman congressman. Amash may be the closest ideologically to the retiring Dr. Paul, and he has taken over chairmanship of Dr. Paul's House Republican Liberty Caucus (of which Labrador is a member). Amash led the fight against the bill Congress passed in the wake of the “fiscal cliff” for its increases in federal spending. “The federal government’s refusal to live within its means is immoral. I cannot in good conscience support burdening our children and grandchildren with another $50 billion of debt,” said Amash.
    Also voting against Boehner (and against the “fiscal cliff” bill) were several congressmen not explicitly connected to the Ron Paul movement, but among the most conservative members of the House: Rep. Broun, freshman Jim Bridenstine of Oklahoma, Louie Gohmert of Texas (Freedom Index: 83 percent), Tim Huelskamp of Kansas (Freedom Index: 82 percent), Raúl Labrador (Freedom Index: 89 percent), Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina (Freedom Index: 80 percent), and Steve Pearce of New Mexico (Freedom Index: 75 percent). Huelskamp, Labrador, and Mulvaney are members of the House Liberty Caucus formerly chaired by Dr. Paul.
    And following in Rep. Paul's steps of not making waves in leadership votes are Paul-endorsed congressmen David Schweikert (Freedom Index: 85 percent) of Arizona and freshmen Kerry Bentivolio of Michigan and Randy Weber of Texas (who filled Paul's seat in Congress). These congressmen may form a larger coalition of constitutionalists in the House of Representatives that could become a key swing voting bloc in the new Congress. Republicans currently hold only a 17-vote majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.
    The 17-vote majority is key. As Roll Call reported January 6, the insurrection against Boehner had 25 votes until one backed out at the last minute. Because of a prior agreement among rebelling back-benchers to go forward only with a bloc of 25 congressmen or more, the move against Boehner disintegrated in the 30 minutes before the January 3 vote for speaker. But despite the failure of the anti-Boehner move, the Roll Call story demonstrates the potential of the Liberty Caucus swing votes.
    And on the grassroots level, the Ron Paul faction in Congress seems destined only to increase in future elections. The congressman's presidential campaign last year led to the takeover of several state Republican Party committees. Establishment Iowa GOP Co-Chairman Bill Schickel in a failed party election January 5 to oust Ron Paul supporters from leadership positions — complained, “The words are fine about reaching out and opening the doors of our party, but when our chair, our executive director, our communications director, our finance director are all from the [Ron Paul-aligned] Campaign for Liberty that sends a message that is disenfranchising to many, many of our Republicans.”
    Ron Paul's Liberty Movement Spreads in Congress

    The Ron Paul faction in Congress seems destined only to increase in future elections, that's perhaps the dynamic philosophy that will put back the Republican party in power.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    I like Ron Paul. He is a Libertarian who ran for Congress as a Republican. When he ran for president he did a pretty good job of attracting conservative Democrats that are smart enough to know that the wild spending sprees are not helping the economy.

    The problem with Ron Paul is that most of what he says he would do is not within the realm of the President's authority, unless he takes the Obama approach and simply ignores the Constitution and current laws.

    I read his Ron Paul Revolution book. It is a very interesting book and is a good lesson in how screwed up things have become, and why we are bleeding money like a stuck pig. He lays out a lot of problems in good detail, but unfortunately did not offer any solutions. I would have liked to see his ideas.

    Ron might be getting too old for the Presidency, but Rand could fill the slot once he picks up a little more political experience. He also has to move a little further away from the Tea Party or help clean up the damage the Democrats have done to the Tea Party reputation by portraying them as a bunch of racists and radicals. Nothing could be further from the truth, but when the Democrats tell a lie enough times, people start to believe it. Every American who believes in saving the future of the country would be a Tea Party member if they really understood what they stand for.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I read his Ron Paul Revolution book. It is a very interesting book and is a good lesson in how screwed up things have become, and why we are bleeding money like a stuck pig. He lays out a lot of problems in good detail, but unfortunately did not offer any solutions. I would have liked to see his ideas.
    It is just my opinion, but I think that the Ron Paul philosophy is focusing on the problems and pointing where they come from first so people understand what he is talking about. As far as the solutions and how to implement them, I believe he wanted that the issues were democratically debated in Congress.

    Frankly, it is an exaggeration to say that Ron Paul didn't offer any solution, when he said "end the fed", money based on precious metal like gold, limited government, and the Keynesian economic model replaced by the Austrian economic model, etc
    Last edited by Franc Tireur; 20 September, 2013 at 00:13 AM.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    Dr. Paul openly talks about a lot of solutions, but does not offer them in his book. The book focuses more on the mess that politicians have gotten us into because they neglected their responsibilities. Unfortunately he does not lay out a plan to dig us out of the mess.

    When the Fed works as it is supposed to, it has a stabilizing effect on the economy. It is intended to be independent and not tied to politics. That is why it is not a government agency and does not take orders from the President or Congress. I'd like to see an audit of the Fed to see if it is as corrupt as the conspiracy theorists think it is or if it leads back to the Rothchilds. If it is not what it claims to be, I would vote to burn it down in a heartbeat. The real economy and the stock market today would be in much worse shape without the continuing artificial stimulus from the Fed. Unfortunately, it is all one big game because the President appoints the head of the Fed and is most likely to choose someone who makes him look good.

    It is not possible to go back to the gold standard without a complete confiscation of gold in public hands. There would be a lot of resistance to that. There just isn't enough gold available to back an economy this large and the government can not afford to buy the gold. I would like to see an audit of Fort Knox to see if there is any gold in there. About 6 months ago there were 3 or 4 TV programs back-to-back on the History Channel that went into the history of Fort Knox. All of them concluded that it was very likely that the gold had been pilfered from Fort Knox over the years by politicians. Fort Knox may be a mostly empty vault. The worst part of that scenario is that we do not just store our gold in Fort Knox Knox; we also store the gold of several other countries.

    I think we will need a major revolution to obtain limited government. The US government keeps growing regardless of who is in the White House and no one wants to give up their special programs.

    The Keynesian model has never worked in the US. It did not work when FDR used it in The Great Depression and very likely was responsible for keeping the country in a depression until WWII. What the history books that glorify FDR do not tell you is that economic conditions in FDR's second term got much worse after he pushed a Keynesian solution during his first term. We are seeing the same thing today, but with lots of smoke and mirrors used to hide the real issues.

    I agree with Dr. Paul's ideas, but unless he gets the overwhelming majority of people to support him, the ideas have no chance of going anywhere. That will be pretty hard to do when almost half of the "taxpayers" in the US currently pay zero Federal income taxes and there are more receiving food stamps than there are full time workers. That locks too many people into the anti-Paul side of the debate. No one wants to give up their freebies.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    When the Fed works as it is supposed to, it has a stabilizing effect on the economy. It is intended to be independent and not tied to politics. That is why it is not a government agency and does not take orders from the President or Congress.
    My view differ on the Fed. You have to read the book by G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island and End the Fed by Ron Paul. I don't think you can have a lucrative corporation (that's the only corporation in US that do not pay taxes because of its special status) "supposed to" "intended to" be independent and not tied to politics. A corporation works for its own interests and the interests of his shareholders so the Fed is not an exception and never worked independently, the Fed work for the banking cartel. It is so secret that I am not sure that everything the Fed does is in the best interests of this country of the American people, you have to follow what economists said about the Fed work and to who benefits this work. It will take too long to go into all the details, but the Fed is not a regulator or a stabilizer entity but instead the main international market manipulator using its network across the planet and certainly not in the people interests.

    They should be audited everywhere and more often. The reason that not a single bank want that is that most likely they cooked their books.

    The Ron Paul movement is indelibly in route.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    Charlie Rose: "Define what libertarianism means to you" - Ron Paul: "The word I best describe it is something not a lot of people use. I call it non-intervention."

    Charlie Rose: "Non-intervention in personal life, non-intervention in foreign policy, non-intervention in..."

    Ron Paul: "There it is. Because it's sort of tells you what a conservative, a libertarian, constitutionalist, and liberal, classical liberalism has been used it's closely aligned with libertarianism, but non-intervention as you say. I don't want to interfere in your personal life. The one rule is you can't hurt another person, that's when government's necessary."

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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