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    Sen. Paul knocks call for more long-term jobless aid, says creating...

    Sen. Rand Paul, in an interview on "Fox News Sunday," rebuffed President Obama's call to extend long-term jobless benefits, saying the program is creating a group of "perpetual unemployed."
    "While it seems good, it actually does a disservice to the people you're trying to help," Paul, R-Ky., said.
    The jobless benefits issue is becoming an integral part of negotiations over a budget bill for 2014. Lawmakers face a Jan. 15 deadline to pass a new bill, but Democrats want to make sure long-term unemployment benefits are included.
    Obama used his weekly radio address to reiterate that call. He said that more than 1 million Americans will lose benefits if lawmakers don't act and that unemployment insurance is one of the most effective ways to boost the economy. He argued providing benefits does not stop people from trying to find work.
    But Paul argued the opposite, and noted employers would be more reluctant to hire somebody who has been on unemployment for 99 weeks -- which was the maximum duration of unemployment aid during the height of the recession -- than someone who has only been on unemployment for a few weeks.
    Benefits for 1.3 million people out of work for longer than six months expire Dec. 28, and that would be the case for 1.9 million more people in the first half of next year.
    House Speaker John Boehner said he is waiting to review any proposal the White House would like to make.
    Paul is considered a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2016. He said Sunday "the thought has crossed my mind" to run and he is "seriously thinking about it."
    But, reiterating his remarks from a day earlier, Paul said he must consider his family's wishes.
    Sen. Paul knocks call for more long-term jobless aid, says creating 'perpetual unemployed' | Fox News

    Ran Paul made a huge mistake of appreciation. You cannot outsource jobs and be blinded to say that extended aid should be stopped. If he is following the Mitt Romney path, he will never be elected president.

    President Obama is right on this subject.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    As a taxpayer, I say you are wrong!

    Also, those on unemployment are just sucking in the money and not bothering to look for a job.

    Welfare, by any name, is still welfare!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    As a taxpayer, I say you are wrong!

    Also, those on unemployment are just sucking in the money and not bothering to look for a job.

    Welfare, by any name, is still welfare!
    I guess we have to agree to disagree on this. I really think that not everyone is sucking the money and not looking for a job. Perhaps it was like this in the 70's or 80's but today it is another story, perhaps a picture that most Americans want to avoid.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    I have to agree with both Rand Paul and the Dawg.

    According to Obama, the lower jobless rate is proof that the economic recovery is progressing. If the economy is indeed improving, the last thing you want to do is discourage people from finding jobs. People will do what the government encourages them to do.

    Increased unemployment was the rationale behind extending unemployment benefits. Reduced unemployment numbers cannot also be the rationale for extending benefits. It is time to start scaling back on temporary benefits.

    Anyone who is paying attention knows that the unemployment numbers have been faked by the Obama administration. The recent revelation by the Census Bureau employee who said he was told to fabricate the numbers prior to the last election is just more proof that we have a criminal organization in the White House.

    While not everyone is sucking money out of the unemployment funding, there are a lot of people milking the situation. The problem with making life easier for them is that statistically once a person is on welfare or underemployment for more than two years, they are unlikely to ever find a good job again. Even if they want to work, the system breaks their spirit and they lose their desire to work. People become comfortable with not working and living poor and on benefits. Obama and the Democrats know this and it is all part of the overall plan to make everyone dependent upon government largesse.

    America is the only country in the world where you never have to work a day in your life as long as you are willing to be poor. We also have the wealthiest poor people on the planet.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Anyone who is paying attention knows that the unemployment numbers have been faked by the Obama administration. The recent revelation by the Census Bureau employee who said he was told to fabricate the numbers prior to the last election is just more proof that we have a criminal organization in the White House.
    Like Mark Twain said: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"


    While not everyone is sucking money out of the unemployment funding, there are a lot of people milking the situation. The problem with making life easier for them is that statistically once a person is on welfare or underemployment for more than two years, they are unlikely to ever find a good job again. Even if they want to work, the system breaks their spirit and they lose their desire to work. People become comfortable with not working and living poor and on benefits. Obama and the Democrats know this and it is all part of the overall plan to make everyone dependent upon government largesse.
    I do not completly agree with this whole picture. First, there is a lot of discrimination, the main one is that employers do not hire people in their 50's, so if they want to work, too bad for them, they aren't find anything. How many graduated young people get a job? How many industrial job were lost and shipped overseas? Like I said, a lot of people stay in a 80"s picture about the employment situation, and most of them never experienced similar situations. It is like the economy, all indicators are in red, all western countries are in heavy debt, and some idiots said that everything is fine, don't worry about it! What people must do is stop listening to all the parasites, the disinformers, and the "merdia" (French word for pejorative mainstream media that continuously lie to us).

    America is the only country in the world where you never have to work a day in your life as long as you are willing to be poor. We also have the wealthiest poor people on the planet.
    Are you sure about that? You will be surprised by what we've got in Europe, the US welfare is a nothing compared to it
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    Quote Originally Posted by Franc Tireur View Post
    I do not completly agree with this whole picture. First, there is a lot of discrimination, the main one is that employers do not hire people in their 50's, so if they want to work, too bad for them, they aren't find anything. How many graduated young people get a job? How many industrial job were lost and shipped overseas? Like I said, a lot of people stay in a 80"s picture about the employment situation, and most of them never experienced similar situations. It is like the economy, all indicators are in red, all western countries are in heavy debt, and some idiots said that everything is fine, don't worry about it! What people must do is stop listening to all the parasites, the disinformers, and the "merdia" (French word for pejorative mainstream media that continuously lie to us).
    There is a lot of discrimination, but some of it is self-imposed. If you cannot find a job doing what you have been doing, find a different job or find a way to create an income. As many have said before me, Americans are not trained to create jobs; they are trained to be workers. Most people do not have a clue as to how to run a business or how difficult it can be. If they did, we would have fewer Democrats. The problem with our younger generation is that too many do not want to work unless they make 6 figures. I worked a lot of crappy low-pay jobs when I was younger that almost no one wants to do today. Back then, young people took any job they could find until they found a better job.

    That is my biggest issue with Google, who I frequently say has destroyed billions of dollars of value on the web. In 2005 online businesses were thriving and tens of thousands of people were making good money through affiliate marketing and other web enterprises. Probably 95% of that is gone with no noticeable improvement in search results.

    America is the only country in the world where you never have to work a day in your life as long as you are willing to be poor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Franc Tireur View Post
    Are you sure about that? You will be surprised by what we've got in Europe, the US welfare is a nothing compared to it
    I think that statement came from black conservative Walter Williams. It may have been his deadbeat uncle who told him that, which is when Walter realized that something was very broken in our political system.

    I don't doubt that Europe is just as broken. I remember one point back in the early 1990s when 22% of the Dutch workforce was on disability because it was so easy to get on disability. We had a Dutch sales rep who went on disability for 6 months while claiming that his back was so bad that he could not sit up to make phone calls. Under Dutch law at the time, the company I worked for had to pay him indefinitely. We hired an investigator who came back with photos of the guy working as a roofer while collecting disability from us. Our attorney sent him copies of the photos along with a letter telling him that we were terminating his pay and if he did not agree, he could take us to court. Dutch disability law was changed shortly after that.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    There is a lot of discrimination, but some of it is self-imposed. If you cannot find a job doing what you have been doing, find a different job or find a way to create an income. As many have said before me, Americans are not trained to create jobs; they are trained to be workers. Most people do not have a clue as to how to run a business or how difficult it can be. If they did, we would have fewer Democrats. The problem with our younger generation is that too many do not want to work unless they make 6 figures. I worked a lot of crappy low-pay jobs when I was younger that almost no one wants to do today. Back then, young people took any job they could find until they found a better job.

    That is my biggest issue with Google, who I frequently say has destroyed billions of dollars of value on the web. In 2005 online businesses were thriving and tens of thousands of people were making good money through affiliate marketing and other web enterprises. Probably 95% of that is gone with no noticeable improvement in search results.




    I think that statement came from black conservative Walter Williams. It may have been his deadbeat uncle who told him that, which is when Walter realized that something was very broken in our political system.

    I don't doubt that Europe is just as broken. I remember one point back in the early 1990s when 22% of the Dutch workforce was on disability because it was so easy to get on disability. We had a Dutch sales rep who went on disability for 6 months while claiming that his back was so bad that he could not sit up to make phone calls. Under Dutch law at the time, the company I worked for had to pay him indefinitely. We hired an investigator who came back with photos of the guy working as a roofer while collecting disability from us. Our attorney sent him copies of the photos along with a letter telling him that we were terminating his pay and if he did not agree, he could take us to court. Dutch disability law was changed shortly after that.
    I worked a lot of crappy low-pay jobs when I was younger too, but at this time you could find any little jobs fast. Today, I am not sure of that. Many Americans unemployed who want to work cannot even get a fast food low wage job, and in Europe it is the same, because there is not enough jobs. Now, some people will have a different picture depending on where they live, not all the states are affected the same way. Same thing in France, big cities will have more opportunities for (I don't know for how long, because they are doing social dumping right now), job starters who don't have a lot of money are stuck where they live, mostly in rural areas.

    To be objective, we cannot take specific situations, but only the whole picture.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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    I am not a big fan of Roosevelt and the huge number of Constitutional violations for which he was responsible, but one good thing he did was create the Civilian Conservation Corps. He actually put people to work doing research and construction jobs. They did everything from building roads to repairing government buildings. Laid off teachers were employed doing research for the Social Security system. At least it wasn't welfare and we got something in return for the money spent. A large number of rural highways were built by the Civilian Conservation Corps. A lot of old governement buildings have CCC stamped in the sidewalk. That tells you who did the work.

    Civilian Conservation Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of course in the typical socialist fashion, he did it by raising the top marginal tax rate to 94%. Yes, that is correct. He took money away from the job creators so that he could fund government jobs. That is very likely why we stayed in The Depression for so many years. And of course you had to be a Democrat, or at least claim to be one, in order to get the jobs. FDR was every bit as partisan as our current Dear Leader.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    My dad was in the CCC.
    It was called, make work.
    Build a log road up a mountain, then take in apart on the way down and plant trees to replace those cut down to make the road to nowhere.

    Yes, people do not understand what the real tax rate was for many years on the top earners.
    Even the middle class had big tax rate.
    But the government said, hey...look at these deductions you get for owning a house, having kids, etc.

    I still say, CCC today would be great.
    Work, and get to feed and house yourself.
    Don't work and hey, nothing in the way of welfare for you!
    Plus stop the damn kid machine where they more you have, the more you get!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I am not a big fan of Roosevelt and the huge number of Constitutional violations for which he was responsible, but one good thing he did was create the Civilian Conservation Corps. He actually put people to work doing research and construction jobs. They did everything from building roads to repairing government buildings. Laid off teachers were employed doing research for the Social Security system. At least it wasn't welfare and we got something in return for the money spent. A large number of rural highways were built by the Civilian Conservation Corps. A lot of old governement buildings have CCC stamped in the sidewalk. That tells you who did the work.

    Civilian Conservation Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of course in the typical socialist fashion, he did it by raising the top marginal tax rate to 94%. Yes, that is correct. He took money away from the job creators so that he could fund government jobs. That is very likely why we stayed in The Depression for so many years. And of course you had to be a Democrat, or at least claim to be one, in order to get the jobs. FDR was every bit as partisan as our current Dear Leader.
    Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    My dad was in the CCC.
    It was called, make work.
    Build a log road up a mountain, then take in apart on the way down and plant trees to replace those cut down to make the road to nowhere.
    I watched some great documentaries about the CCC, it was maybe not perfect, but at least people who worked there achieved something, even learned something else that allowed them to be hired in the private sector for knowledge and experience. Like I said previously, I am sure a lot of people will be glad to work together for the whole community, the politicians aren't creative anymore and choose to put the country in heavy debt, rather than enable great programs to help the most vulnerable (the ones who want to work) in our societies.

    I remember that the Compagnons du Tour de France had a handsome reputation, I met a few myself, now the kids are getting education that do no bring food on the table. There are a lot of craftman and artisan jobs that could be created if the governments funds allocation were directed much appropriately. At least it will open some other directions than the general education/university. Again, and it is very disappointing to lose more and more the "savoir faire" transmitted from the middle age.

    I guess they prefer unemployed graduated kids, than artistic skilled and knowledgeable workers who build fantastic and unique things, but hey, all of that is pure policy.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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