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Thread: So Bush finally admitted it. Now what?

  1. #11
    So, what's the deal? was it a different kind of torture? is there a "torture" that is OK but there are other that are really ugly? Or is the place of torture, so let's say torturing in Germany is bad but if I torture in Brazil, it's OK? Or is it something else?
    Or the title maybe? A chanceler cannot torture but a president can?
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    If the question is do i see a distinction between

    1. Hitler allowing Mengele to perform attrocities on Jews because he considered them inferior
    2. Saddam and his two twisted sons having political dissidents lowered feet first into woodchippers
    3. Bush allowing the guys that planned 9/11 to get waterboarded to rat out the others that were planning on taking thousands more lives

    The answer is unashamedly, absolutely, inefuckinquivicably, yes.

    In the first two cases it was insanity and cruelty. In the third, it saved lives... and I'd personally have attached electrodes to the balls of one of the known recipients (Khalid Sheik Mohammed) and cranked the phone device because of what he'd already done.

    What, you wanted us to shy away outta shame from that answer? Bullshit. I was at Quantico Virginia at Marine Corps OCS in 1976 when everyone else I knew was still in the longhaired phase. We would have removed KSMs nuts with a dull blade. Fuck him and all terrorists. Forgiveness is God's job... ours is to arrange the meeting.

    FTR - Your butt is safe and warm because of people that do what has to be done, not because of kumbaya-singing politically correct politicians. Enjoy the freedom to call them monsters while they pay for it on your behalf... putting themselves between you and those that would harm you and those you love. Freedom has never been free, someone always pays the price.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    If the question is do i see a distinction between

    1. Hitler allowing Mengele to perform attrocities on Jews because he considered them inferior
    2. Saddam and his two twisted sons having political dissidents lowered feet first into woodchippers
    3. Bush allowing the guys that planned 9/11 to get waterboarded to rat out the others that were planning on taking thousands more lives
    The answer is unashamedly, absolutely, inefuckinquivicably, yes.

    In the first two cases it was insanity and cruelty. In the third, it saved lives... and I'd personally have attached electrodes to the balls of one of the known recipients (Khalid Sheik Mohammed) and cranked the phone device because of what he'd already done.

    What, you wanted us to shy away outta shame from that answer? Bullshit. I was at Quantico Virginia at Marine Corps OCS in 1976 when everyone else I knew was still in the longhaired phase. We would have removed KSMs nuts with a dull blade. Fuck him and all terrorists. Forgiveness is God's job... ours is to arrange the meeting.

    FTR - Your butt is safe and warm because of people that do what has to be done, not because of kumbaya-singing politically correct politicians. Enjoy the freedom to call them monsters while they pay for it on your behalf... putting themselves between you and those that would harm you and those you love. Freedom has never been free, someone always pays the price.
    Aznar sent special forces to kill ETA members in the shadow. Wasn't it a better way to save lives and money? I'd rather go that way: parachute the US-army-ninja-navy-seals-rambo-like-guys who live just for those kind of mission, cut the throats, and back home. I don't like to make suffer...If it's war, why not doing it right, Geneva's style??
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    I can pretty much assure you we have the same classified ops going... they just don't make the papers.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    I can pretty much assure you we have the same classified ops going... they just don't make the papers.
    And don't make the results as well...
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  6. #16
    Not so sure about that... did you notice a lotta bombs going off inside our borders post 9/11?

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    Not so sure about that... did you notice a lotta bombs going off inside our borders post 9/11?
    No. In Liechstentein neither. And i have doubt about their special ops.
    If there have been results, there wouldn't have been any in Guantanamo, because they would have been killed in their land, and not tranfered alive to Guantanamo...
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    I musta missed the part where they put out a fatwa declaring war on Lichtenstein.

    Oh well, maybe the terrorists just decided we were good guys after all and unilaterally opted to quit blowing shit up here. That was my second guess.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    I musta missed the part where they put out a fatwa declaring war on Lichtenstein.

    Oh well, maybe the terrorists just decided we were good guys after all and unilaterally opted to quit blowing shit up here. That was my second guess.
    Neah...Forget your second guess. They are after democracies, US or others, including Lichtenstein...

    BTW, is it your birthday today? if so, have an happy one..
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    Here's the text of the Fatwa declaring war against the US by name. I don't think they flip a coin when it comes to deciding whether to attack us or Lichtenstein.

    Just a guess.

    Yeah, thanks, it is my birthday. I'm officially damn near twice as old as I figured I'd ever get. I credit the tinfoil, keeps them from hearing my thoughts.

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