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Thread: So Bush finally admitted it. Now what?

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    Here's the text of the Fatwa declaring war against the US by name. I don't think they flip a coin when it comes to deciding whether to attack us or Lichtenstein.

    Just a guess.

    Yeah, thanks, it is my birthday. I'm officially damn near twice as old as I figured I'd ever get. I credit the tinfoil, keeps them from hearing my thoughts.
    I don't buy myself it's only against the US. I do believe it is against democracy, where the US is a huge symbol. Plus, the US putting its nose all over the world is not helping. The US putting war vessels offshore of Yemen, in international waters, has to be OK but if tomorrow, Yemen put a line of war vessels offshore Florida, SC, NC, VA, etc, in international waters, it will be a diplomatic response in no time. Terrorist acts in the US but also in England, Spain and other places prove it's not only the US though. The way of living in western countries is the target, including democracy, individual liberty, justice, free market, freedom of speech, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codythebest View Post
    I don't buy myself it's only against the US. I do believe it is against democracy, where the US is a huge symbol.
    Cody... the fatwa is titled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places." Sorta unambiguous. Yeah, they dont like a lotta others too, and they're fucking sociopaths so yes, they kill lots of folks. As I stated though, they declared war on us.

    Plus, the US putting its nose all over the world is not helping. The US putting war vessels offshore of Yemen, in international waters, has to be OK but if tomorrow, Yemen put a line of war vessels offshore Florida, SC, NC, VA, etc, in international waters, it will be a diplomatic response in no time.
    We do not apologize for being a superpower, a lot of crappy responsibilities that go with the job. If you wanna complain about where the boat goes, feel free to pick up an oar and paddle.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    Cody... the fatwa is titled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places." Sorta unambiguous. Yeah, they dont like a lotta others too, and they're fucking sociopaths so yes, they kill lots of folks. As I stated though, they declared war on us.
    They declare war on the US but bomb any westerners. So for me, they're doing a war on all western countries, including the US...
    We do not apologize for being a superpower, a lot of crappy responsibilities that go with the job. If you wanna complain about where the boat goes, feel free to pick up an oar and paddle.
    Was just an example. If I was sneaking into your property all the time, you might become pissed at one point. I'm sure the idea is there...
    Russia complains because the US deploy radars and missile in Poland, at few miles from Russian border and think it's very strange that Russia complain, especially that these materials is for preventing stuff from ...Iran. C'mon now. I can't wait the Russian deploying stuff in their own territory, few miles from Alaska and pointing on it, to prevent bad things from ...Chile.
    I have nothing against the USA that I love so much. I think the USA would be way more peaceful if they keep their nose home, and their money, and their soldiers, helping homeless americans instead of helping outside...
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    Was just an example. If I was sneaking into your property all the time, you might become pissed at one point.
    LOL. Between the dogs and the firearms it'd be easier to sneak elephants thru customs, and given "the castle doctrine"... a helluvalot safer.

    Certain countries have a history of wanton aggression, the US would be stupid to ignore that. The primary concern of our government is defending our nation and its citizens, and that's a global job these days. If some "get pissed" about that, their problem.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    LOL. Between the dogs and the firearms it'd be easier to sneak elephants thru customs, and given "the castle doctrine"... a helluvalot safer.

    Certain countries have a history of wanton aggression, the US would be stupid to ignore that. The primary concern of our government is defending our nation and its citizens, and that's a global job these days. If some "get pissed" about that, their problem.
    Umm...Who's first, the chicken or the egg?
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    Well if pirates based outta Ft Lauderdale start taking ships I'm sure we'll be thrilled to have the pride of the Yemini Navy drag their tubs over to our shoreline and lend a hand. Whaddaya suppose they have in that fleet anyway?

    We already had an instance where Russia decided to place warships and missiles near our coast. [See: Cuban missile crisis] It was handled.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    Well if pirates based outta Ft Lauderdale start taking ships I'm sure we'll be thrilled to have the pride of the Yemini Navy drag their tubs over to our shoreline and lend a hand. Whaddaya suppose they have in that fleet anyway?

    We already had an instance where Russia decided to place warships and missiles near our coast. [See: Cuban missile crisis] It was handled.
    Well, pirates, yes, I got it...but we talking about US vessels.
    And for the Russian, it was annoying to have them offshore, we agree...
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  8. #28
    I don't think comparing Bush to Hitler is even close. Come on Cody. What Hitler was doing in Germany is not what is going on in Guantanamo.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by homebizseo View Post
    I don't think comparing Bush to Hitler is even close. Come on Cody. What Hitler was doing in Germany is not what is going on in Guantanamo.
    I absolutely agree. There is a huge difference here obviously.
    What I'm thinking is , in all proportion, the gestapo was torturing the resistance to avoid troops to be killed, to save lives.
    The german troops at that time and the US troops today have 2 different missions, for sure. But the goal was the same. While Nuremberg has made choices about these people, no one is doing something for Bush.
    Yes, the resistance was fighting against the intruders, like Iraki resistance today. And yes, these guys in Guantanamo are not angels, but it's no excuse for the similar acts...
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    Many fighting us in Iraq are not Iraqis... they're die-hard anti-US radical Islamists from outside Iraq who entered the country to kill "the infidel" Americans. They are against the US, not FOR the Iraqis... which is why their tactics kill more Iraqis than Americans.

    Hate is what they do best. Calling 'em freedom fighters or resistance is gives more credit than due.

    Of course I realize we are merely talking at each other here... you could not possibly convince me Bush is remotely comparable to Hitler, I'm not going to convince you to the contrary. Basically I'm probably the worst type to talk to on these subjects... first bumper sticker I ever owned had an Eagle, Globe, and Anchor and said "Let us win your hearts and minds... or we'll burn your damn huts down". I still think we oughta send bills to everyone we assist in any way and THEN put a naval base there ("Yes, we KNOW you're 2000 miles from the shore, but we're still putting a naval base here, it's just our policy").

    Still, I'd be a really fun Secetary of State...
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