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    Hi,

    I know Pat has past away. I will vote posthumous for Paulsen.

    The only thing that I want to vote for, is a vote that will get rid of the electoral college, but I never see that on any ballot. Call me a dummy but I do not understand how are vote counts for anything, as long as the electoral college is in play.

    The last time I voted I left half the ballot blank for I did not like either one.

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    Obama's 2013 New Year's Resolutions:

    • Party with Secret Service one last time .
    • Pack up White House silverware.
    • Cut prices for Presidential Pardons.
    • Fire up paper shredders.
    • Delete teleprompter porno.
    • Flip off Hillary Clinton.
    • Get medical marijuana card.
    • Ask Chris Matthews for a date.
    • Throw Eric Holder under the bus.
    • Throw Joe Biden under the short bus.

    ***


    Romney's 2013 New Year's Resolutions:

    • Prepare Secret Service pink slips .
    • Replace missing White House silverware.
    • Track and freeze pardon payments.
    • Shred piles of Hope n' Change posters.
    • Donate teleprompters to the Salvation Army.
    • Flip off Hillary Clinton.
    • Rescind medical marijuana cards.
    • Send Chris Matthews a condolence letter.
    • Take Eric Holder into custody.
    • Remove hair plug coverage from ObamaCare.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sami4u View Post
    The only thing that I want to vote for, is a vote that will get rid of the electoral college, but I never see that on any ballot. Call me a dummy but I do not understand how are vote counts for anything, as long as the electoral college is in play.
    You have to remember that the United States isn't a Democracy instead we are a Republic. In a Democracy 51% percent of the people can oppress the other 49%. So, what you end up with is populism, demagogy, and mob rule and panem et circenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    Obama's 2013 New Year's Resolutions:

    • Party with Secret Service one last time .
    • Pack up White House silverware.
    • Cut prices for Presidential Pardons.
    • Fire up paper shredders.
    • Delete teleprompter porno.
    • Flip off Hillary Clinton.
    • Get medical marijuana card.
    • Ask Chris Matthews for a date.
    • Throw Eric Holder under the bus.
    • Throw Joe Biden under the short bus.

    ***


    Romney's 2013 New Year's Resolutions:

    • Prepare Secret Service pink slips .
    • Replace missing White House silverware.
    • Track and freeze pardon payments.
    • Shred piles of Hope n' Change posters.
    • Donate teleprompters to the Salvation Army.
    • Flip off Hillary Clinton.
    • Rescind medical marijuana cards.
    • Send Chris Matthews a condolence letter.
    • Take Eric Holder into custody.
    • Remove hair plug coverage from ObamaCare.


    https://sites.google.com/site/barackobamajokes/



    You have to remember that the United States isn't a Democracy instead we are a Republic. In a Democracy 51% percent of the people can oppress the other 49%. So, what you end up with is populism, demagogy, and mob rule and panem et circenses.
    And your point is?
    Is that not what we have now?
    Two parties, both with same agenda, to rape and pillage the people.

    Read about Thomas Jefferson and what he said about the country if ever we have two parties.

    I do not like the electoral college either, because it means the majority of votes in this country do not count!
    If you do not understand that?
    Read.

    I would like to see:
    no parties
    no donations for anyone running for office
    people run for office with no party telling them what to say and do.
    the government pays for the elections (with an upper limit).
    Of couse, I do have to flesh the above out better, but it is a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    And your point is?
    Is that not what we have now?
    Two parties, both with same agenda, to rape and pillage the people.

    Read about Thomas Jefferson and what he said about the country if ever we have two parties.
    I agree that the two-party system is corrupt. Without changing House/Senate rules, there's not too much that can be done.

    On the other hand, the electoral college in my opinion is a good system. There's too much chance of voter fraud to base the elections on popular vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    On the other hand, the electoral college in my opinion is a good system. There's too much chance of voter fraud to base the elections on popular vote.
    IMHO, the electoral college system is slightly better than the popular vote. There have been only three elections since 1897 where the electoral college vote differed from the popular vote. Why since 1897?

    Did you know that there is no Constitutional right for people to vote for the President and Vice President, as we are frequently told? It was never covered in The Constitution and that is why most voting laws have traditionally been a States issue. The framers of The Constitution feared that poorly educated people would simply elect those who promised to give them the most. Is this starting to sound familiar? The country was formed as a Representative Republic where a special group of Electors selected the President and Vice President (known as the Electoral College today). The Electors were chosen by state legislators. Individual states started granting voting rights to citizens to allow them to elect the electoral candidates, and by the mid-1800s, almost all states allowed citizens to vote for electoral candidates. The Electoral College system was changed in 1893 to take the selection of the Electors out of the hands of the people because it became a mess.

    The names of the presidential candidates did not appear on the ballots until 1897. Under Federal law, Electoral College members are free to vote for whichever presidential candidate that they wish, but typically follow the popular vote in their state. We live in a country that is not a democracy and where the people do not legally elect the President.

    On this year's ballot in Arizona, the pre-selected electoral college members are listed with their affiliation for each party. If we select Romney, the Republican group gets to cast the electoral college vote, and vice-versa if Obummer wins. That assures that the people's vote is reflected in the electoral college vote. I think these rules vary by state.

    I don't know of a better system, or how to improve our system, but I am 100% certain that Obummer would prefer to skip the whole process and just become a benevolent dictator.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    IMHO, the electoral college system is slightly better than the popular vote. There have been only three elections since 1897 where the electoral college vote differed from the popular vote. Why since 1897?
    This has come full-circle and the 'Birth-certificate' issue is inter-connected to these 5 points:

    1. Natural Born Citizenship
    2. Electoral College
    3. Illegal Immigration
    4. Amemdment XIV
    5. Welfare

    1. Natural Born Citizenship

    Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:
    “ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
    In recent history questions of eligibility to hold the office of President have concerned John McCain (born in Panama Canal zone to US parents), Barry Goldwater (Arizona was not yet a state when Goldwater was born), George Romney (born in Mexico to US parents that were also born in Mexico) and Barry Sotero Obama (birthplace unknown).

    However, the case of Bill Richardson highlights the danger of foreign influence that the founding fathers were worried about. Richardson's father was born in Nicaragua to a US grandfather and Mexican grandmother. Richardson mother was also a Mexican citizen and Bill Richardson is one-quarter 'American' . Just before Richardson was born, his father sent his mother to California to give birth.


    Bill Richardson's grandparents were William Blaine Richardson, of Boston, and Rosaura Ojeda, Mexico. William Blaine Richardson had descended to the Dominican Republic a family, senior resources at the time Trujillo kingdom which could highlight the Admiral of the Navy Rafael Benjamin Richardson Lightbourne as a relative of the same.[7] Just before Richardson was born, his father sent his mother to California to give birth because, as Richardson explained, "My father had a complex about not having been born in the United States."[7] Richardson, a U.S. citizen by birthright, was raised during his childhood in Mexico City. When Richardson was 13, his parents sent him to Massachusetts to attend a preparatory school
    2. Electoral College


    The US census includes counts of illegal aliens. The 20 million illegal aliens increase the electoral votes and Houses seats to the States with the highest number of illegals which usually are the "Blue' States.

    2010 ACS citizen-only numbers into the Census Bureau’s apportionment formula shows that five states benefit electorally from their noncitizen populations: New York, Florida and Washington each gain one congressional seat and thus one Electoral College vote; Texas gains two; and California — with 5,516,920 noncitizens out of a total population of 37,341,989 — gains five.

    House seats based on total population, not based on citizens or voters.
    How illegal immigrants inflate the electoral college

    3. Illegal Immigration - Illegal aliens are voting in US elections and so much for foreign influence when family of the President of the US are illegal aliens.

    Obama's Aunt Zeituni was found to be living in Boston public housing and on welfare amd Obama's uncle Onyango Obama was recently arrested on drunken driving charges and has been a fugitive from deportation since 1992. Onyango Obama had a valid Massachusetts driver's license and federal Social Security number.


    A memo from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) revealing that the Obama Administration granted a stay of deportation for his illegal alien uncle Onyango Obama was released today by Judicial Watch. The stay was given despite the fact that Onyango Obama was arrested on DUI charges in April of 2011.
    Memo Reveals Obama Admin Gave Obama’s Uncle Unlawful Stay of Deportation

    Lest we think that this sort of thing only happens on the east coast, we should remember the illegal ballots cast by an estimated 5,000 non-citizens in Colorado's elections in 2010. Colorado's Secretary of State reported that a state study found nearly 12,000 people registered to vote in Colorado who were not citizens and were therefore not legally eligible to vote. Of those, the state believes that perhaps as many as 5,000 voted in the 2010 general election.7

    Then there is New Mexico, where the secretary of state recently identified over 64,000 instances – or nearly 10% of those who voted – of voter irregularities sent to the state police for investigation.8


    And, of course, there are the infamous election frauds perpetrated over the years by the leftist outfit ACORN. In 2004, six St. Louis volunteers pleaded guilty to dozens of voter-fraud charges, including registering the names of dead or non-existent people. It is believed that ACORN's "Operation Big Vote" turned in over 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards. In 2006, ACORN turned in tens of thousands of suspect voter registration forms to Missouri elections officials, and ACORN workers later admitted to telling registrants who to vote for. And, demonstrating a profound and vexing consistency, four more ACORN employees were indicted for voter fraud in 2007.
    Victims of Voter Fraud: Poor and Disadvantaged are Most Likely to Have Their Vote Stolen


    4. Amemdment XIV - There are 400,000 anchor babies born each year in the United States. Anchor babies entitle housholds headed by illegal aliens to receive welfare payments. The issue here is that Amendment XIV is being misinterpreted. Citzenship should only be granted to children of legal immigrants and other people subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. The current system allows citizens of foreign countries to arrive in the US and give birth to receive US citizenship for their children. There are actually services in China that obtain a tourist visa for the mother to give birth in the US. Its estimated that as many as 20,000 tourism births have taken place for Chinese citizens that have no connection to the US.

    5. Welfare - I wonder how many illegals would be coming to the US if they weren't able to get welfare?

    56 percent of households with children headed by legal immigrants used at least one welfare program in 2009

    71 percent for illegal immigrant households with children are on welfare. Illegal immigrants generally receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children.

    Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship. On the other hand, legal immigrant households take advantage of every available welfare program, according to the study, which attributes it to low education level and resulting low income. The highest rate of welfare recipients come from the Dominican Republic (82 %), Mexico and Guatemala (75%) and Ecuador (70%), according to the report, which says welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents.

    Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children | Center for Immigration Studies

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    4. Amendment XIV - There are 400,000 anchor babies born each year in the United States. Anchor babies entitle households headed by illegal aliens to receive welfare payments.
    Everything is becoming distorted and that is one of the problems we have to deal with. The original intent is what should drive these issues. That is what the Supreme Court is supposed to use in their decisions, but the Supreme Court has become so political that it no longer functions as intended. The Supreme Court has become a political proxy.

    The 14th Amendment was put into place by Republicans in 1868 just after the Civil War. The intent was to force southern Democrat states to grant citizenship to slaves. Even though Lincoln had granted them freedom from slavery, the southern states refused to grant them citizenship. Because the importation of slaves had stopped in the 1820s, almost every former slave in the USA in 1868 had been born here. The intent was never to grant citizenship to everyone born here.

    In 1868 no one could have envisioned the misinterpretation and abuse of the 14th Amendment like we are seeing today.

    We need to repeal the 14th Amendment, but that will be very hard to do under our currently split political system.

    If I remember correctly from the days when I worked in Japan, it is impossible for someone to become a Japanese citizen unless 5 generations had been born there. If I was born in Japan, I could not become a citizen, nor could my children or grandchildren if they were also born there. You basically need 100 years of family generations born in Japan in order to become a citizen.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Everything is becoming distorted and that is one of the problems we have to deal with. The original intent is what should drive these issues. That is what the Supreme Court is supposed to use in their decisions, but the Supreme Court has become so political that it no longer functions as intended. The Supreme Court has become a political proxy.
    The meaning of the 14th amendment is clear that US Citizenship should only be granted to children of legal permanent residents subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Therefore, children born to parents on student visas, work visas and other temporary status should not be eligible.

    According to this article Birth tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia total births to temporary immigrants in the United States (e.g. tourists, students, guestworkers) could be as high as 200,000 and there are approximately 40,000 annual births to parents in the United States as birth tourists.

    Based on these numbers of 'Birth Tourists' there will soon be millions of foreigners eligible to vote in US elections. Foreigners in that the parents are foreign citizens with no status in the US and the children have never set foot in the US other than being born here 18 years ago. Certainly a ridiculous situation and in fact this is a danger to the US i.e. Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA-Led Drone Strike | Fox News

    The Nigerian media is also focused on birth tourism in the United States and recently published an article titled, "American Agitations Threaten a Nigerian Practice." The practice referred to is that of Nigerians traveling to the United States to have a child — a practice that, according to the newspaper, is "spreading so fast that it is close to becoming an obsession."
    Turkish doctors, hotel owners, and immigrant families in the United States have reportedly arranged the U.S. birth of 12,000 Turkish children since 2003.

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    Yeah, but doesn't that just prove my point that the 14th Amendment it misinterpreted and abused?

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

    The part that gets misinterpreted is the section that reads, "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". You and I see that as meaning someone who is here legally. I don;t agree, but one viewpoint says that could also mean people with proper visas. I don't see where that includes people who are breaking the laws, but people who interpret it that way say it means anyone who can be arrested or is subject to our laws. Once again, you have to go back to the original intent to fully understand what it means. It cannot be interpreted by today's standards because immigration laws did not exist in the USA until the late 1870s.

    The 2nd Amendment is also misinterpreted, especially by Eric Holder who claims that it does not grant citizens the right to own firearms.

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Anyone who knows what a militia is knows that this does not refer to the military. A militia is a civilian force intended to back up the military, or by today's definition it could also be a private army. This is further clarified by the the last clause, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Who in their right mind could interpret this to mean that only the military and police have the right to own firearms? The intent was to keep the people armed to avoid a takeover by a tyrannical government and to provide additional support for the official military.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Well, the latest on the storm Sandy?
    Seems the lefties are trying to figure out how to use this storm to postpone the election!
    Yep, obama and his regime are happy about this hurricane hitting now.
    First, it gives the main stream media something to blabber on for 24/7, thus eliminating mention of Benghazi.
    Second, by cancelling everything and quote unquote staying in the white house monitoring this storm, it makes obama like he is ahead of the curve on this storm.

    Sure, cancel everything for a storm!
    But go partying with jzee, beyonce, etal while people in Benghazi are being killed and dragged through the streets.

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