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    U.S. Army Buying Millions of Rounds of Russian Ammo and Popular Civilian Firearms

    The U.S. Army is now looking to stockpile nearly 3,000,000 live rounds of Soviet-era Russian ammo popular with civilian shooters. Credit: Wikimedia Commons

    A U.S. Army solicitation posted July 18 on the Federal Business Opportunities web site asks for “non-standard” ammunition from vendors which includes:
    - 2,550,000 rounds of 7.62x39mm ball ammo
    - 575,000 blank rounds of 7.62x39mm ammo and
    - 425,000 rounds of 9x18mm Makarov ball ammo
    The army intends to store all these rounds in ammo storage facilities at both Camp Stanley in Boerne, Texas and the Blue Grass Army Depot in Kentucky.
    As the solicitation implies, the 7.62x39mm and the 9x18mm Makarov are not standard-issue in the U.S. military or NATO.
    Rather they are calibers developed by the former Soviet Union which are now commonly used by civilian shooters in the United States.
    The 7.62x39mm in particular is extremely popular with private gun owners due to the wide availability and affordability of both military surplus ammo and firearms chambered for this round, such as the AK-47 and the SKS.
    Handguns chambered for the 9x18mm Makarov, such as the FEG PA-63, are common, inexpensive imports.
    The desired list of calibers attached to a previous, related acquisition request also included oddball rounds such as the .303 British and the 7.62×25mm Tokarev.
    In addition to this solicitation for nearly 3,000,000 live rounds of Russian calibers popular with the public, the army made a similar request last year for a long-term weapon supplier who can ship both foreign non-standard and obsolete U.S. military weapons anywhere in the world.
    According to this 2012 request, the U.S. Army Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center (ARDEC) wanted to find a vendor who could “reach around the world at any given moment to gather and provide multiple types of weapons and weapon parts.”
    The extensive list of desired weapons included firearms popular with civilians such as the aforementioned AK-47, 1911s, M1903 Springfields, Walther PP/PPKs (another common import), and other “commercial and para-military weapons.”
    This solicitation also asked for “books, manuals, tools, and gauges” pertaining to the firearms.
    Headquartered in New Jersey, ARDEC is primarily known for its research in advanced weapons such as lasers and nanotechnology.
    These unusual requests prompt the question as to why the U.S. Army, and especially the army’s advanced weapons research and development division, needs a vast quantity of non-NATO rounds and decades-old – sometimes even 100-year-old – firearms popular with civilians for worldwide deployment “at any given notice.”
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    Why the U.S. Army is now looking to stockpile nearly 3,000,000 live rounds of Soviet-era Russian ammo popular with civilian shooters? It looks like a crime organization going to war...

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    It is probably more of Obama's best efforts to choke off the supply of ammo for civilian gun owners.

    I have used some of the Russian ammo and it is very poor quality and it quickly fouls up handguns, but a lot of shooters use it because it is all they can find since Obama reduced the availability of the good quality USA-made ammo.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    Why the U.S. Army is now looking to stockpile nearly 3,000,000 live rounds of Soviet-era Russian ammo popular with civilian shooters?
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    It is probably more of Obama's best efforts to choke off the supply of ammo for civilian gun owners.
    This kind of purchase is a drop in the bucket. 3 million rounds equals (=) 3,000 cases of ammo and 2.5 million rounds of 7.62x39 is only enough to supply approx. 2,500 troops.

    Though it’s strange that they are buying obsolete U.S. weapons parts for 1903 Springfield, 1911 BAR, 1919, M1/M1a1 and M3 submachine guns, M1 and M2 carbines, and M79.? This would definetey make you think that it’s to dry up the civilian market. Perhap they are looking to repair weapons in Turkish inventory and send them to Syria. The US Army captured WW2 German MP44s and MG42s in Iraq. M1a1 is a better weapon.

    The procurement posting is from Picatinny Arsenal, NJ. Interesingly enough, back in the 1990s Picatinny Arsenal was giving away surplus equipment and ammo to certified police departments for fighting drugs. A local police department was taking pallets of Ak-47 ammo captured from he Iraqis and trading them for new shotguns. The same police were also taking depleted uranium rounds and firing them at the police range which created some clean-up issues.

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    The only thing that I know with absolute certainty when it comes to the Obama administration is that the real reason behind anything is not what they say it is.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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    It is weird that they buy 9x18mm Makarov, .303 British and the 7.62×25mm Tokarev.

    I guess they are drying up all the popular supply. If that continue like this, it will be obsolete to owns weapons.


    This is a slap to this organization, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    The only thing that I know with absolute certainty when it comes to the Obama administration is that the real reason behind anything is not what they say it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    It is weird that they buy 9x18mm Makarov, .303 British and the 7.62×25mm Tokarev.

    I guess they are drying up all the popular supply. If that continue like this, it will be obsolete to owns weapons.
    This could be a test to determine:

    1) What kind of supply of ammo and parts are out there by the number of vendors that are responding.
    2) The price elasticity of demand increases on ammo and parts.

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