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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    Right. In the 80s I knew a guy who was on it and I remember him asking me
    "Dude, like ... why do you work".
    Hehehe! I can picture the guy who said it. Long stringy hair, unshaven, wears sandals, is either too fat or too thin from lack of exercise, believes Republicans are evil, believes Obama really cares about people, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    Well before I could come up with an answer, he already laid it out for me how he convinced the doc the devil was talking to him.
    Like they say, "the devil is in the details." In the current situation, the devil may be sitting in the White House.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    And no: I am seriously against anybody getting free money unless something is seriously wrong with them.
    I think all of us are in agreement about this. Programs like SSD are intended for those who really need it, and not for freeloaders who use it to take an extended holiday at taxpayers' expense.

    If politicians really wanted to cut spending by reducing entitlement costs, all that they would have to do is to eliminate the massive amount of fraud. Everyone knows it exists, but no politician wants to do anything about it.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  2. #22
    Back then Ronald Reagan was President and "He don't care about us" used to be his excuse "to get his".


    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Hehehe! I can picture the guy who said it. Long stringy hair, unshaven, wears sandals, is either too fat or too thin from lack of exercise, believes Republicans are evil, believes Obama really cares about people, etc.
    I am also a writer for Serpholic Media. You can find some of my articles here: Serpholic Media Blog

  3. #23
    Freeloaders always have an excuse. Today, most people justify milking the system with the excuse, "Everyone else is doing it." The "everyone else" excuse is legitimate only if everyone they know is also a freeloader. In many cases, that may be true.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  4. #24
    looking back at the last 25 years, people have always been the same. just that in different places and a different times the level of opportunity differs.
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Freeloaders always have an excuse. Today, most people justify milking the system with the excuse, "Everyone else is doing it." The "everyone else" excuse is legitimate only if everyone they know is also a freeloader. In many cases, that may be true.
    I am also a writer for Serpholic Media. You can find some of my articles here: Serpholic Media Blog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    looking back at the last 25 years, people have always been the same. just that in different places and a different times the level of opportunity differs.
    Sure people have the same human nature. They want stuff for free and someone else to pay for it.

    Barry Obama isn't the 1st 'Hope and Change' president. He's continuing where Jimmy Carter left off

    In fact, if the current US demographics were the same as 1980, Mitt Romney would have won the 2012 election.


  6. #26
    The problem witht he "Hope and Change" pitch is that it gets the hopes up for people who are fed up with government, but the ideological changes have never worked long term anywhere on the planet.

    What people do not understand about Progressives like Carter and Obama is that Progressive has nothing to do with Progress. Progressive = Communist. These are people who hate the things that once made America a great place to live.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  7. You know, there are problems with rich people taking advantage of the system too, but when we spend too much time complaining about what the other party is doing in stead of focusing on bringing about the solution, we become part of the problem. We have become a nation of complainers, and we need to first start with setting a good example.

    I believe that deep down most people want to have a profession and work. When people feel inspired, have good mentors, a solid education, and a hope that their efforts will count for something, people will want to work 98 times out of 100. The rest of them are going to have problems like illness, drugs or other ailments. Even then there are instances of extreme cases being turned around.

    Why not first start with the perspective in the second paragraph regardless of your politics and work forward from there?
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by dvduval View Post
    You know, there are problems with rich people taking advantage of the system too, but when we spend too much time complaining about what the other party is doing in stead of focusing on bringing about the solution, we become part of the problem. We have become a nation of complainers, and we need to first start with setting a good example.

    I believe that deep down most people want to have a profession and work. When people feel inspired, have good mentors, a solid education, and a hope that their efforts will count for something, people will want to work 98 times out of 100. The rest of them are going to have problems like illness, drugs or other ailments. Even then there are instances of extreme cases being turned around.

    Why not first start with the perspective in the second paragraph regardless of your politics and work forward from there?
    That is a noble way of thinking.
    But it is not the current reality.
    Talk to 100 people on welfare and 98 times out of 100, no way do they want a job, education, etc.

    Look at the people in West Virginia taking kids out of school so they do not learn how to read and write.
    Because then they get money from the government!

    Talk to welfare moms who have a few kids and then go for more, daddies unknown or just not married to the daddies.
    Because they make more money with each new kid.

    And you have to then look at what welfare people get.
    Money for not working.
    Money to buy groceries.
    The famous obamaphone deal.
    Free medical care.
    Low cost to free housing.

    Heck of a deal for anyone.

    So can not start from your perspective.....

    We are not a nation of complainers, but rather a nation of takers.

    You want to see the future of the USA under the liberals?
    Look to many countries in Europe!

  9. #29
    Yes, there are people who want to work, but the freebies become addictive and destroy the incentive to work. Most people do have a lazy side to their nature. Successful people fight that and push it aside. Others succumb to it and it takes over their lives.

    It comes down to, "If I don't have to work, why should I work?"

    Take away the freebies for those who do not actually need them (about 50% of the SSDI roles according to some studies) and you will find a lot more people working and creating jobs.

    I really get tired of Obama's "fair share" pitches, because there is nothing fair about saddling half of the population with the cost of supporting the other half. That is one of the biggest incentives to milk the system. Obama has no idea regarding what it takes to create jobs, because he and almost his entire team have spent their lives working in the public sector where real jobs are never created based upon need to generate revenue. They are mostly there to build and support the bureaucracy.

    It used to be that most immigrants who came to this country came here to work hard, but that incentive is also gone. I live in Arizona where the Arizona taxpayer cost of supporting the welfare and incarceration requirements for illegals is $2.6 billion per year. Most illegals coming into the country today come here for the freebies. Some may work for cash to supplement their welfare income, but they come here primarily to take advantage of the system. I moved from Minnesota a few years ago where the freeloader problem there is the large Hmong population that immigrated legally in the 1970s and 1980s as well as 36,000 Somalies who mostly immigrated legally under Clinton. The vast majority of both groups have always and continue to live on welfare, rather than work. The difference is that when our ancestors immigrated to the USA, there were no support systems, so everyone contributed to the economy by working. That is not the case with today's immigrants from poor countries.

    I know a guy (a family member on my wife's side) who voluntarily went homeless for several years because he liked a lifestyle with no responsibilities. He never went hungry because welfare made it easy to survive that way. While he was "homeless" we never knew if he was alive or dead. By the way, he is over 50 pounds overweight and got that way living on welfare. He would have never done that without the welfare system. Today, he has an apartment and continues to live on government programs, but he is seeking a job. he actually is a good worker, but the problem with finding a good job is the gap of several years in his resume.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  10. #30
    The reason I have a tough time looking at "the rich" is that with the way the general public acts, there will always be those moving to the top and noticing that the only way to protect what they worked for (and in some instances stole of course), is to keep the masses bamboozled.

    You cannot fix stupid and the point is that the common weakest denominators are being appealed to by the media.

    Just watching the video Bogart posted the other day on Obama voters says it all.

    What can you do? Hope people take matters into their own hands and work on a "better society"?


    Quote Originally Posted by dvduval View Post
    You know, there are problems with rich people taking advantage of the system too, but when we spend too much time complaining about what the other party is doing in stead of focusing on bringing about the solution, we become part of the problem. We have become a nation of complainers, and we need to first start with setting a good example.

    I believe that deep down most people want to have a profession and work. When people feel inspired, have good mentors, a solid education, and a hope that their efforts will count for something, people will want to work 98 times out of 100. The rest of them are going to have problems like illness, drugs or other ailments. Even then there are instances of extreme cases being turned around.

    Why not first start with the perspective in the second paragraph regardless of your politics and work forward from there?
    I am also a writer for Serpholic Media. You can find some of my articles here: Serpholic Media Blog

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