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Thread: Will Obama allow terror to become an acceptable form of international communication?

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    Will Obama allow terror to become an acceptable form of international communication?

    The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon George Bush's *doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.
    Barack Obama administration 'prepared to talk to Hamas' | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Having just read this article one must wonder what politicians are thinking. Not only has Hamas been terrorizing the region, now taking them off of the list of world terror organizations will strengthen them further and allow more funding to enable them to take terror to a whole new level.

    How can Obama get away with this and what could possibly be his goal making such a decision which is bound to turn us back to before Reagan put an end to Quaddafi?
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    Hmmm, whether we like it or not, they did actually win a popular election so they have the support of a significant number of Palestinians from Gaza. Perhaps they can be removed from power, but what will that achieve if Palestinians then start to support a different group. Obama may as well talk to the people who are already in power, at least they're known.

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    Plus, W. did nothing so far to fight terrorism. He went to Afghanistan to stop talibans and Irak to finish what's daddy didn't. And if he could get some barrels on the way, better. Spain, Indonesia, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Brazil, Australia, Great-Britain, France, etc...have all captured terrorists...except the US...
    W. built one mile of wall between Mexico and the US. Yes. Like if the little mexican will swim through the Rio Grande with a missile. And he keep foreign investors outside, making sure they are not buying a company and create employement to build missiles. Anyway, here, we all do a fireworks the 20th, not to welcome Obama, but to celebrate the end of lying, hypocrisy and stupidity in the White House...
    So, my guess is Obama cannot do worse than W. anyway...which is good...
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  4. Barack is a babe in the woods, and the woods are full of hungry wolves.

    He really does seem to think that dealing with murdering thugs requires nothing more than the pretty smile he used to deal with college co-eds.

    Obama intends to surrender the world to mad men. This is obviously not an effective long-term strategy, although the short-term benefits are certainly appealing to those not living near those mad men. In four or eight or ten years the U.S. will have to wake up from this drunkenness and realize that it must accept it's role as leader of the free world or let the light of freedom be extinguished from this world entirely.
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    Obama hasn't seen the world as much, and to be honest has no experience of dealing with terrorism in Asia and the Middle East.

    He's still stuck to his ideas of trying to win over people - which will obviously not work out when people have ideological differences.

    How can you call a truce with an enemy who calls for your destruction?

    There's no way of eliminating islamic terrorism from the globe - its very hard.

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    Thanks Ash and Will, and I do agree. I believe that Hillary Clinton will have her hands full doing cosmetic damage control. I too do not have any faith that Obama will do anything efficient to discourage terror and his actions will enable those who were afraid of the Bush administration, to come back to the forefront with their attempts to place the world in fear.
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    I disagree with you all, and think that the kind of peace that comes from enhancing security, depriving us of basic rights, continuing the 'war on terror' which has proven to be nothing more than a war for oil, will not stop groups like Hamas.

    On the other hand, if you look at the rhetoric employed by the British or South African governments before they sat down and started to negotiate with the IRA or the ANC it is the same as being used now to describe Hamas.

    Hamas have significant popular support in Gaza and the West Bank, they are a bunch of thugs, but people who have no hope gravitate towards them because they are fighting. The same thing happened with Northern Ireland's various groups, South Africa's ANC, and countless other terror groups around the world that are now accepted as being legitimate, the most recent example being the KLA in Kosovo, who have even been rewarded with their own state.

    True the situation in Israel/Palestine is very difficult, but actually talking to the people who you claim want to destroy western civilization will have the knock on effect of making it possible for moderates to resume their lives. If the majority of people in Gaza felt secure, their kids could go to school, parents had jobs, then I doubt Hamas would have as much support as they do. I doubt the Israeli offensive is going to completely eradicate Hamas, and if the Israeli's withdraw their military Hamas will just carry on doing what they were doing before.

    Israel needs to take control of Gaza again and prevent Hamas from governing, otherwise they are back to where they started. This is why Obama favours negotiation, at least get Hamas talking, perhaps if they talk long enough and if aid gets into Gaza, maybe then the moderates within Hamas will have the chance to come forward and change them.

  8. Negotiation has one purpose -- giving the terrorists what they want as a response to terrorist actions.

    What is the result of rewarding behavior? More of that behavior. If we reward people for terrorism, we will get more terrorism.

    Think about the bargaining table. What are we asking for? We, the free people of the world, are simply asking not to be murdered.

    So we give into whatever demands the terrorists have so that they will stop murdering us. This emboldens and strengthens them, which only causes them to make more demands of us!

    It's time to stop rewarding terrorism and start demanding that the Muslim people take responsibility for the actions of their governments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.Spencer View Post
    It's time to stop rewarding terrorism and start demanding that the Muslim people take responsibility for the actions of their governments.
    Yes, I agree when it comes to Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, however the Gaza strip and West Bank are very different, they have not been allowed to develop economically, they do not have the ability to travel, and they are only exposed to a single voice, ie their local warlords.

    If we ever hope that the people of Gaza will respond the way you wish them to, we need to take responsibility for helping them develop their factories, and then give them a market to sell their goods, and we can't do that until the bloodshed stops.

    The situation between Israel and Palestine is too complex to roll into the argument that the people need to stand up to their leaders. The same argument was used by the Western powers when they believed the German people would rise against Hitler, or that the Russians would rise against Stalin, or more recently, that the Iraqis would rise against Hussein.

    The fact is that when an entire population is controlled by a few people with weapons, and they only ever hear one side of the story, those who can be swayed will support the minority, and those who can't be swayed will be cowed into doing nothing. The people in Gaza do not have the opportunity or the weapons to oust Hamas, and even if they did, they are now facing another enemy which only has the certain goal of uniting Gazans against Israel, and that in turn strengthens the hand that Hamas already have.

    On the other hand, if Israel, the other Middle East powers, and the Western powers would take a good hard look at the position most Gazans find themselves in, and try to present as many opportunities as possible for moderate Palestinians to come to the fore, then we might see less support for Hamas, and more support for a proper peace.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by elbandelero View Post
    If we ever hope that the people of Gaza will respond the way you wish them to, we need to take responsibility for helping them develop their factories, and then give them a market to sell their goods, and we can't do that until the bloodshed stops.
    The bloodshed will not stop until Hamas is defeated, either by external forces or by the people of Gaza.

    If the people of Gaza do not remove Hamas, then the external forces must continue to weaken Hamas until the people of Gaza act.

    If we recognize Hamas and give it our respect and aid, we will only strengthen it and make it impossible for the people of Gaza to ever get rid of it.

    You can't make a tiger go away by feeding it.
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