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    Deceptive Marketing

    As I was researching the competition for my keywords I found top-ranking sites and videos that are deceptive such as "free blah blah". But the product is either paid or does not perform the advertised function. I hope that Google picks up on these deceptive sites. In my case, the search term is: "free autoresponder". But in many cases, the autoresponder is either paid or not an autoresponder.

    To improve search results, only the related paid searches should be kept, and commercial autoresponders such as get response, mailchimp, and aweber should be de-listed from these "free autoresponder" SE results IMO. Also, people promoting Blue Host that claim that it offers a free autoresponder, when it does not.

    If these paid services can get top SE ranking for free, they will not need AdWords PPC Ads.

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    I wondered this lately as Youtube is very advanced when it comes to detecting copyright material, yet there are so many videos showing up for top keywords where you only get a message to download movies from another site.
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    The chances are that Google will only go after infringements that help put more money in their pockets. Over the past few years they did significant damage to the rankings for small e-commerce sites to the point where they can no longer compete in Google search results with the big stores. That drives them to AdWords, which is something that many cannot afford.

    If they honestly wanted to clean up search results, they should go after sites using deceptive practices such as those you pointed out. However, that would probably take a manual effort, which means they are not likely to do anything unless someone reports the sites to Google. You can do that through a Webmaster Tools account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    The chances are that Google will only go after infringements that help put more money in their pockets. Over the past few years they did significant damage to the rankings for small e-commerce sites to the point where they can no longer compete in Google search results with the big stores. That drives them to AdWords, which is something that many cannot afford.

    If they honestly wanted to clean up search results, they should go after sites using deceptive practices such as those you pointed out. However, that would probably take a manual effort, which means they are not likely to do anything unless someone reports the sites to Google. You can do that through a Webmaster Tools account.

    Well said TopDogger, I believe that google wants to eliminate as much as possible all the little businesses, because they don't bring them any money. So what they are doing is eliminating step by step from serps on any google products.

    From the last 3 years, you could do anything from additing more contents, more YT videos, more backlinks, more effort on keywords targeting, more products on your ecommerce, they will slash your traffic, your rankings, and all the keyphrases/keywords that convert into potential buyers. You can check what I said from ecommerce owners on webmaster forums, a lot of us will confirm that. They also know that if they affect the e-commerce owners, the SEO, SEM, SMO services will be affected. These people know what they are doing, mostly they receive their orders for shadowy influencal groups like Bilderlberg that why Eric Smidt (google) and Jeff Bezos (amazon) are always invited to these meetings. Anyway, for us it was 30% less every year from the last 3 years. That's why we throw the towel.

    Big brands will squatt the serps now.

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    The solution is to build a following outside of search engine traffic such as via an email subscriber list and Facebook following. Also, I think that it's important to build big sites, and leverage existing big sites by getting your content on them. We have to adapt, not throw in the towel.

    there are so many videos showing up for top keywords where you only get a message to download movies from another site
    This is the black-hat content-locking technique where an email subscribe is needed to get a pay out from an affiliate network. So the affiliate promotes some porno video but requires that you subscribe for information about colon cleanse (affiliate offer) before you can get re-directed to the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy101 View Post
    The solution is to build a following outside of search engine traffic such as via an email subscriber list and Facebook following. Also, I think that it's important to build big sites, and leverage existing big sites by getting your content on them. We have to adapt, not throw in the towel.
    I fully agree. But that can take a substantial effort and most businesses do not find any benefit with social networks.

    The only real viable way to get the Google monkey off of your back is by building your own mailing list of followers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy101 View Post
    We have to adapt, not throw in the towel.
    To adapt, take a 180 degree turn, build a big site, buy hundreds more products, and put some contents need a healthy financial structured company. You need money and this kind of changes are not for the little guys.

    They just hit the most vulnerables now, what will be next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy101 View Post
    The solution is to build a following outside of search engine traffic such as via an email subscriber list and Facebook following. Also, I think that it's important to build big sites, and leverage existing big sites by getting your content on them. We have to adapt, not throw in the towel.
    Exactly. Just having visitors won't cut it. Having repeat visitors will.

    This is the black-hat content-locking technique where an email subscribe is needed to get a pay out from an affiliate network. So the affiliate promotes some porno video but requires that you subscribe for information about colon cleanse (affiliate offer) before you can get re-directed to the video.
    This should be easy to detect. Why doesn't Google do more about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dammann View Post
    This should be easy to detect. Why doesn't Google do more about it?
    Because there isn't any profit in doing so. Google is driven by only two things: profit and information collection. That type of deceptive affiliate scenario really has nothing to do with Google.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Because there isn't any profit in doing so. Google is driven by only two things: profit and information collection. That type of deceptive affiliate scenario really has nothing to do with Google.
    Well, I wouldn't say that the type of deceptive affiliate scenario really has nothing to do with Google. Look at Adwords where it is not enough for amazon and ebay to promote directly on adwords, they use other marketing sites proxy to promote their pages. It is very deceptive, but like you said google is driven by profits.

    So the question is: What about all the BS guidelines, algorithm updates and super duper user experience?

    Funny isn't it?
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