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    Right, so when links are taken off, why need to disavow?
    It's just a form of putting out a written statement:
    "Hi Google. I hereby certify that I have spammed you. In order to acquire your forgiveness, I hereby declare my willingness to out the other spammers in hope to be one of you secret informer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    According to Q&A With Google's Matt Cutts On How To Use The Link Disavow Tool the link disavow tool won't work unless some of the bad links are removed.

    Question:
    What if you don’t try to remove links? Given what a pain it is to get links off the web, why wouldn’t someone just use disavow? I know Google recommends requesting link removals, but from a technical standpoint, if they don’t do that and just disavow, it’s pretty much going to work, right?
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    No, I wouldn’t count on this. In particular, Google can look at the snapshot of links we saw when we took manual action. If we don’t see any links actually taken down off the web, then we can see that sites have been disavowing without trying to get the links taken down.
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    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by firetown View Post
    Right, so when links are taken off, why need to disavow?
    It's just a form of putting out a written statement:
    "Hi Google. I hereby certify that I have spammed you. In order to acquire your forgiveness, I hereby declare my willingness to out the other spammers in hope to be one of you secret informer.

    Yours truly,

    Another Asskissing Webmaster"

    ROTFLOL

    Do these type of links kill a site in the rankings?

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    Supposedly, but not really sure that this has to be the reason. My site has zero outgoing or incoming spam links and still got hit.
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    ROTFLOL

    Do these type of links kill a site in the rankings?

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    It might be something else triggering their alert with the disavow being a way to get webmasters to tell them which other sites are in their network using the same practices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firetown View Post
    Right, so when links are taken off, why need to disavow?
    If you received the warning message in Webmaster Tools, a penalty has been manually applied to your site. A manual penalty needs to be removed by a living, breathing Googloid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sami4u View Post
    Do these type of links kill a site in the rankings?
    I did have several people come to me after receiving the infamous link warning in Webmaster Tools. All of the site owners were using crappy link building services. None of the site owners had enough time to react before their site rankings dropped dramatically, especially for the keywords that the link builders used in the hypertext links.

    Yeah, it does happen, but there have been so many back-to-back updates this year that is is sometimes hard to tell which one caused a site's ranking to plummet.

    Put it this way, it is more common than not for site owners to claim that they lost 50% or more of their Google traffic this year.

    Google is running amok and is patting themselves on the back for the great job they are doing, but I haven't seen any web site owners that agree with them.
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    Hi,

    IMO I don't think that junk links alone can kill a site. If that would be the case all people would need to do is build a bunch of junk links to knock their competitors site out of the water, and their site would move back to the top again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sami4u View Post
    Hi,

    IMO I don't think that junk links alone can kill a site. If that would be the case all people would need to do is build a bunch of junk links to knock their competitors site out of the water, and their site would move back to the top again.

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    Junk links won't kill a strong site like CNN. Though, it's possible to knock out your weaker competitors with junk links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sami4u View Post
    IMO I don't think that junk links alone can kill a site. If that would be the case all people would need to do is build a bunch of junk links to knock their competitors site out of the water, and their site would move back to the top again.
    Unfortunately, flooding a weak site using junk links for negative SEO can kill a site. One of my sites got hit with a negative SEO attack a while back. This was prior to Penguin. I watched it and let it happen just to see the outcome. The site went from a PR3 to PR0 and lost all of its Google traffic within a few months. The only attack was hundreds of crappy links from blog networks using unrelated words in contextual links, such as "God damn it!", 'Proof is in the pudding", "Her hair was green", etc., in the hyperlink text. Each article contained 4 or 5 links, only one of which was a legitimate link and pointed to the attacker's site. All of the rest were negative SEO links to competitors' sites that they were trying to knock out of the search results. The attack succeeded.

    I think a site has to have a number of trusted links in order to overcome a negative SEO attack. Google does admit to the possibility of negative SEO attacks in their Webmaster Guidelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    Junk links won't kill a strong site like CNN. Though, it's possible to knock out your weaker competitors with junk links.

    You know it's bad when you can find negative SEO services on Fiverr
    Never thought someone would have a service for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sami4u View Post
    Never thought someone would have a service for that.
    People will do whatever Google encourages them to do through their ranking algorithm changes. There are now lots of negative SEO services out there. It is dominated by the same link builders whose tactics killed the rankings for millions of web sites through Penguin. All they have to do is continue to do what they were doing and repackage the service as something different.

    There are also a lot of ling building services that now offer link removal services.
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    I haven't heard of any case studies of webmasters claiming a recovery after using the link disavow tool.

    This appears as yet another Google data collection trick. So that, they can compare the automated link warnings against what webmasters are manually disavowing.

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