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    It is very possible that Penguin and Panda are merged into one algorithm and not run separately. When changes are made to the Penguin portion, Google calls it a Penguin update, and calls it a Panda update when changes are made to that section of the code.

    Dan Thies and others are calling the new filters a negative ranking factor that is applied to the natural rank position. That effectively reduces a page's normal rank position. I think these are cumulative and reach a point where it is applied to an entire site.

    The -950 penalty appears to be a manually applied penalty because it is so severe. From what I have seen, some relatively minor infractions can get this penalty applied. If it is a manually applied penalty, an algorithm change is not going to produce any changes in your rank positions. Only a reconsideration request can do that.

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    I'm still not recovering after adding some articles to my website but I do hope its not manually applied considering that there are too many of us affected. I couldn't imagine them doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    It is very possible that Penguin and Panda are merged into one algorithm and not run separately. When changes are made to the Penguin portion, Google calls it a Penguin update, and calls it a Panda update when changes are made to that section of the code.
    This makes sense as there has been no Penguin refresh since Oct 5th.

    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Dan Thies and others are calling the new filters a negative ranking factor that is applied to the natural rank position. That effectively reduces a page's normal rank position. I think these are cumulative and reach a point where it is applied to an entire site.

    The -950 penalty appears to be a manually applied penalty because it is so severe. From what I have seen, some relatively minor infractions can get this penalty applied. If it is a manually applied penalty, an algorithm change is not going to produce any changes in your rank positions. Only a reconsideration request can do that.

    Google is showing no mercy in their Googley view of the web.
    The penalty appears to be a filter which occurred on April 24th. The site ranks for some keywords and others have the -950 penalty.

    I suspect that this an automatic penalty but it may need to be removed manually.

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    I'm still not recovering after adding some articles to my website but I do hope its not manually applied considering that there are too many of us affected. I couldn't imagine them doing so.
    Do you have a -950 penalty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garfish View Post
    I'm still not recovering after adding some articles to my website but I do hope its not manually applied considering that there are too many of us affected. I couldn't imagine them doing so.
    It appears that they have hired large teams of people whose job is to apply manual penalties. The unnatural link warnings that Google sent out became manual penalties. The message could have been automated, but the penalties still hit and need to be manually removed. 700,000 messages went out to site owners with Webmaster Tools accounts. That is only a fraction of the sites that received the penalties.

    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    The penalty appears to be a filter which occurred on April 24th. The site ranks for some keywords and others have the -950 penalty. I suspect that this an automatic penalty but it may need to be removed manually.
    Anything is possible with Google, but that would be a very severe filter, considering the collateral damage that is frequently associates with flawed filters. And all of Google's filters have proven to be flawed.
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    Google announced a new Panda update the other day: https://twitter.com/google/status/293780801001230336

    As of today, the site has made no recovery. So, 4+ Panda updates and 10+ 1200 word articles and NADA!!! In addition I've removed some thin articles and lowered the keyord density on the home page.

    At this point, I'm looking at Interesting Theory About Internal Linking and I've renamed the anchor text for my homepage to "Home". I was using the main keyword in the menu and the site is an EMD. So, that's a triple whammy!

    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    It appears that they have hired large teams of people whose job is to apply manual penalties. The unnatural link warnings that Google sent out became manual penalties. The message could have been automated, but the penalties still hit and need to be manually removed. 700,000 messages went out to site owners with Webmaster Tools accounts. That is only a fraction of the sites that received the penalties.
    I'm thinking about the possibility that Penguin is an automatic penalty. But needs to be removed manually. On the face, should you remove all inbound links a website should recover. There shouldn't be a need to disavow links or submit a re-inclusion request. The strange thing is that Panda continues to run on a monthly basis. But there hasn't been a Penguin update since October.

    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Anything is possible with Google, but that would be a very severe filter, considering the collateral damage that is frequently associates with flawed filters. And all of Google's filters have proven to be flawed.
    The -950 penaly is strange. The keywords that still rank are very low traffic. But the site doesn't hit on long tails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    I'm thinking about the possibility that Penguin is an automatic penalty. But needs to be removed manually.
    That is what I meant. If you want to recover from the unnatural link penalties, you have to remove the links, then use the Disavow Link Tool so that the issues can be reviewed by a living, breathing Googloid. It looks like the unnatural link penalty needs to be removed manually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    That is what I meant. If you want to recover from the unnatural link penalties, you have to remove the links, then use the Disavow Link Tool so that the issues can be reviewed by a living, breathing Googloid. It looks like the unnatural link penalty needs to be removed manually.
    It will really be a pain in the ass to remove the links manually using DLink tool. I however have a feeling that if you will just try to remove a few and google notices your efforts, it may reconsider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by islabucasgrande View Post
    It will really be a pain in the ass to remove the links manually using DLink tool. I however have a feeling that if you will just try to remove a few and google notices your efforts, it may reconsider.
    Google has a 'no mercy' policy regarding the link removal. You have to explain to them how you tried to remove almost every link. It you have hundreds or thousands of links, and you only remove a small percentage, they will not even consider removing the penalty. You really do have to prove to them that you have suffered greatly with your link removal efforts.

    Against my advice, one of my clients was using a link builder that pointed over 25,000 crappy links to his site. It worked until Penguin came along and they he got the notice in Webmaster Tools. Before he could react the site was heavily penalized and he lost all his organic Google traffic. He literally spent months contacting sites and requesting link removals. He had to submit reconsideration requests several times and finally had to prove that about two-thirds of the links were removed before Google lifted the penalty. They did notify him in Webmaster Tools when the penalty was lifted.

    Even after the penalty is lifted, the sites do not recover their former rankings because the links that once supported those positions are gone. It also appears that there is a lingering penalty on the primary keywords that the link builder was using in the links.

    The Disavow Link Tool does not physically remove any links. You still have to show Google that you tried to remove the links before they consider disregarding them.
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    Just a quick update that they site is still Panda-ized. I was hoping for a Penguin update but there hasn't been one since Oct 3, 2012.

    According to Google's Matt Cutts On Upcoming Penguin, Panda & Link Networks Updates Google's search quality team is working on a major change to the Penguin Algorithm and that it will be big.

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    This Panda update is likely to be big and scary. It is also all the more reason to abandon the use of blog networks for link building.

    I have seen compelling evidence that Google has identified just about all of the blog network sites. It is not hard to do. A blog just needs to have lots of unrelated articles, with one or more outbound links to mostly crappy sites in each article.
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