[Nathan]

Originally Posted by doctor meroo

I strongly agree with that thread

I suggest to put a limit of 1 proxy per day for every user !!

that gives a good link exposure for every proxy , and gives tech-faq more reliability and trust of proxy owners

And proxy owners will just use proxies to get round these limitations. Go through this thread and we have already discussed most of this already.

No one has really come up with a good idea that is right for both proxy owners as well as users.

[doctor meroo]

I think competition is fatal in proxy niche , coz all proxies are the same and presenting the same service , so the tech-faq should avoid saturation and preserve the quality of service to proxy owners be better over time not worse !!

So the word competition in proxy niche has no meaning as all proxies are the same .

the only field of competition is exposure in proxy lists ( especially Tech faq ) so if that's saturated with spammers , proxy visitors will get bad proxies and the good proxies will loss exposure .

I think tech faq programmers should find the technical solutions not netbuilders .

but first of all they should realize that there is a problem needs to be solved

[Keldorn]

Originally Posted by Nathan

And proxy owners will just use proxies to get round these limitations. Go through this thread and we have already discussed most of this already.

No one has really come up with a good idea that is right for both proxy owners as well as users.

Putthis into the submit file and problem solved.

PHP Code:

$ip = trim($_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']);

$ch = curl_init();
    curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_CONNECTTIMEOUT,2);
    curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_TIMEOUT,2);
    curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_USERAGENT,"cURL (Anti-Proxy Checker");
    curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_URL, "http://{$ip}");  
    curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_HEADER, 1);
    curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER, 1);
    //Go!!
    $data = curl_exec($ch);
    //-- Any Curl Error?
    if (!curl_error($ch) ) {
        
exit('Your IP responded on Port 80. you might be using a web proxy, there not allowed to insure no cheating.');
     
    }

   curl_close($ch); 


So the word competition in proxy niche has no meaning as all proxies are the same .

Actually there more meaningfull way to look at this, Proxies are low barrier to entry. @see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriers_to_entry
This has lended the whole niche to fall into a Zero-Profit condition.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Keldorn

Putthis into the submit file and problem solved.

There's still many ways to get around it and it seems proxy owners will go to great lengths to advertise their proxies.

Also if you're saying leave it up to the programmers like me to do then you will get nothing as I know of no ways that would make it fair at all.

[Keldorn]

Originally Posted by Nathan

There's still many ways to get around it and it seems proxy owners will go to great lengths to advertise their proxies.

Also if you're saying leave it up to the programmers like me to do then you will get nothing as I know of no ways that would make it fair at all.

I'm into programming too, I know its difficult to develop an bullet proof way to insure that no one is submitting more then their fair share of the proxies, but that would stop web proxies from being used. Since they all respond on port 80.
The only way around that is for the person who runs hte proxy to do a routing with IPtables and use a different IP for outgoing traffic with port 80 firewalled.
Of course that is not common.

You can also check things like their Adsense pub on their page, the IP their website is hosted on. Their DNS server. You could lock the submissions by their account to some amount everday, have accounts require email validation, Dont allow account to be created from the same email, dont allow account tobe created from the same IP withint 7 days, (You can store a time() in the db and compare it)
So to create new accounts, they would have to create email after email to make new account, while still trying to avoid the other barriers such as the IP. It becomes a lot of hoops to jump threw.
If someone manages to get threw all that, then they would pretty anonymous anyways in the list and you wouldn't know.
I think that it would definitely would end up being a complicated algorithm, so it definitely put your programming skills to test to create it. :P

[Nathan]

Sure you could code all this and that's great but I still can't even understand limiting to one proxy a day? What good is it for the user? It means there is less for them to choose from that aren't blocked.

The only benefit I see is for the owner - who will get more traffic.

[Keldorn]

I never said anything about how many, But I would say maby 2 or so, yeah.

I think if you want to avoid any complicated programming, why not just raise the barrier to entry? The bar of entry is so low there,
My understanding here is that tech-faq created the $1 submission fee to raise the bar of entry a bit, but they undo it by allowing free domains, its counter intuitive, its doesn't make sense. Stop allowing co.cc.

[Aussie]

I guess Will could always charge $2 for non-TLD listings to level the playing field. It would be in their interest to buy .info's as it would essentially cost them the same as using a free domain.

Though that would probably hurt me as currently I had to go the free domain route myself due to a financial crisis caused by my server being under attack and then my wife had a series of heart attacks so our day job is on hold as we work together.

Anyway, anything that makes it fair for everyone is fine with me.

Aus

[Glypus]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I still can't even understand limiting to one proxy a day? What good is it for the user? It means there is less for them to choose from that aren't blocked.

The only benefit I see is for the owner - who will get more traffic.

Sure there appear to be plenty of choices for the observer. But more choices doesn't always make for a better user experience. Try as a user and you come across many proxies (Especially co.cc proxies because mass production often causes compromises in quality) that

1] Redirect to other non-proxy sites (Could be GeoIP though)
2] Ask to complete surveys before proxies can be used
3] Are suspended by .cc or hinder users severely in some way
4] Are parked or suspended by host
and other issues

So often, you have to visit a few proxies and get frustrated before finding a good one. After the one you use gets blocked, this process has to be repeated.

Anyone from US or Canada (To get around GeoIP) can check out 10-20 proxies and see the user friendliness of some tech-faq proxies for themselves.