Monopoly

**Szise** · 30 September, 2009, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by small

Imagine if ebay were to limit mass listings by sellers, every powerseller would be out of business and you probably won't find as many good bargains. In the world of business, every niche with a healthy margin will attract competition which will squeeze the margin for everyone in the trade. It is the same everywhere you go. Those who adapt to the changing circumstances survive, those who wait for the circumstances to change get left behind. Sometimes it's not a bad idea to look elsewhere, the world is a big place and there are plenty of opportunities.

Is not the same thing, is somehow like buying 18 advertising spots from 25 available on a radio or tv station in prime-time only for you because you have more money to spend or this is how you want. By doing this you hurt anyone else's business restricting the access of the majority to the prime-time spots.

In my opinion all proxy owners should be united, by limiting abusers we can all earn more spending less fighting each other.

**Shenron** · 30 September, 2009, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Szise

Is not the same thing, is somehow like buying 18 advertising spots from 25 available on a radio or tv station in prime-time only for you because you have more money to spend or this is how you want. By doing this you hurt anyone else's business restricting the access of the majority to the prime-time spots.

But still it happens all the time. This is a business world and stronger hands overtake weaker hands.

Is it fair? Ethically no, but we can't deny it.

How fair is it that Real Madrid spent $500 Million in player acquisitions this year?
How fair is it that companies like Microsoft, Google and others dominate their niches just because they have more money?
How fair is it that Nike, Puma and Adidas have 95% of the market just because they can spend zillions in ads?

It's all about creativity, will to win and persistence imho.

When I first started this online biz I got mad daily just because all major players in my main niche could buy whatever ad spots they wanted and easily beat me up in Serps, these days I bet they keep complaining 'cause I'm beating them all the time, but it took me 3 years, a lot of work and persistence to achieve what I have.

You all should do the same; instead of complaining about rules, learn to play by those rules.

**rome9t9** · 30 September, 2009, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Shenron

But still it happens all the time. This is a business world and stronger hands overtake weaker hands.

Is it fair? Ethically no, but we can't deny it.

How fair is it that Real Madrid spent $500 Million in player acquisitions this year?
How fair is it that companies like Microsoft, Google and others dominate their niches just because they have more money?
How fair is it that Nike, Puma and Adidas have 95% of the market just because they can spend zillions in ads?

It's all about creativity, will to win and persistence imho.

When I first started this online biz I got mad daily just because all major players in my main niche could buy whatever ad spots they wanted and easily beat me up in Serps, these days I bet they keep complaining 'cause I'm beating them all the time, but it took me 3 years, a lot of work and persistence to achieve what I have.

You all should do the same; instead of complaining about rules, learn to play by those rules.

Those are some meaningful words..i guess proxy webmasters have to find other ways for traffic..

**Will.Spencer** · 30 September, 2009, 22:33 PM

I can find no moral justification for hobbling a stronger competitor simply because some other competitors are unable or unwilling to keep up.

**Glypus** · 30 September, 2009, 22:47 PM

Anybody can dominate (Or try to) tech-faq everyday by submitting 10-20-30 co.cc proxies or whatever. That isn't exactly monopoly, it's just survival of the co.cciest.

**Szise** · 2 October, 2009, 21:15 PM

Most proxy owners here don't understand what this means in long term for them, means anyone can submit unlimited proxies / day, proxy owners will fight like fools for 200 hits or less because they will submit more and more proxies to get the same amount of traffic from the list.

It's a trap, you think you will earn more if you can submit unlimited proxies, you think if there are no limits is better, but isn't so, will end as a victim of the system because few persons like the .co.cc guy are needed to reduce dramatically your traffic from the list and you earnings.

I will not insist anymore, we all will see what will happen and how many hits the list will send when another 2-3, 30/day proxy owners will start their campaigns on Tech Faq.

**nux** · 3 October, 2009, 00:15 AM

No need to keep complaining about this. Why not load up a drone net and DoS his host? lol but seriously, there isn't going to be any changes. It costs him the same amount as anyone else to submit proxies.

**Szise** · 3 October, 2009, 08:38 AM

I don't have nothing against him directly, he can submit 100 proxies per day, i will not attack anyone, we all try to make a dollar here, i'm against the rules.

Costs the same but how i said if 2-3 people or more will submit over 20-30 per day the value of the submission will decrease for everyone. At least from this point of view the paid listing will have no justification in long term and as long we will receive the same amount of traffic as before because one guy or a group of people take control of the list, the co.cc domains, the main source of spam are allowed and 50 proxies from the same IP are submitted daily, an IP maybe blocked etc. What the user earns if the IP is blocked already and he is submitting 30 blocked proxies daily?

This is the law of the jungle, 5 -10 proxies are enough per day from one user, the majority is not submitting more, i guess.

**Glypus** · 3 October, 2009, 09:26 AM

Well, proxy users, "normal" proxy webmasters, monopolistic proxy webmasters, co.cc proxy webmasters, and proxy list owner (Will) probably have widely different opinions on how tech-faq should be run. Hard to please them all.

**Keldorn** · 3 October, 2009, 13:38 PM

I mentioned before that Will should put a button the page that says "Show only real domains" and record hits to the button and see how many users actually use it. This could be done with setting a Session cookie on the button, then modify the Mysql Query that creates the list by the Session to only show real domain. I guess to it would require extra field in the sql table to say whether its a real domain or not.