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  1. New Attack on the Proxy List: Credit Card Fraud

    There's a new risk to The Tech-FAQ Proxy List (soon The TopBits Proxy List) -- credit card fraud.

    We are seeing a large amount of credit card fraud being used to purchase both $1 submissions and proxy coupons.

    PayPal, of course, refunds the "buyers" payments when they file a dispute. Frankly, I'm tired of responding to the disputes.

    The proxy list earns about $800 in submission revenue every month. This isn't worth losing my PayPal account over.

    I'm not sure yet what we will do.
    • We may stop accepting PayPal payments. (And what then? Promote only my own proxies?)
    • We may only accept proxies and payments from verified proxy owners. (But how to verify people?)
    • We may only accept payment in NetBucks. (But then the thieves will just buy NetBucks with stolen credit card numbers).


    This is going to require some thinking. Anyone have any good ideas?
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    Honestly, nothing will stop them. If one path is blocked, they will go through the next. I had people buy templates from my sites from stolen credit cards. They purchased ten themes, totally $400. Not fun at all.

    I tried blocking their IP, that did not stop them. They were using USA/Canada cards.

    The best solution is to not accept credit card payments, I think, if it can be done through PayPal (?)

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    I've noticed that some I've observed using purloined CCs will only accept verified PP when THEY are selling something. I'm guessing they have insight into the scam process that we don't, so they're inadvertantly telling us what *they* consider the least risky method of accepting payment.

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    To accept submissions only from members with more than 100 forum posts and acconts older than 3 months on netbuilders (an idea). More people will sign up here and we (the old members) can also benefit. And check every member on this forum requesting a coupon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szise View Post
    To accept submissions only from members with more than 100 forum posts and acconts older than 3 months on netbuilders (an idea). More people will sign up here and we (the old members) can also benefit. And check every member on this forum requesting a coupon.
    This is not a good option for men. I really don't like to post on forums. That doesn't mean that I'm not opening the forum every day. And I'm trying to start internet business, which for now is based on TechFaq submisions. So if you do this you will screw me big times

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    Quote Originally Posted by icku86 View Post
    This is not a good option for men. I really don't like to post on forums. That doesn't mean that I'm not opening the forum every day. And I'm trying to start internet business, which for now is based on TechFaq submisions. So if you do this you will screw me big times

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    Get a merchant account and process payments yourself? Or maybe try a different payment system like Plimus?
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    Can 2Checkout be an option?

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    Hmmm, the more I think about it, if you force the scammer to buy netbucks with the stolen cc to then use to buy the listing, it does force 2-3 extra steps for them to take to use the cards. Most, not all, thieves are lazy so if you added another pre-requisite such as 50 or 100 posts on NB to be able to "buy" netbucks it might reduce the scammage a bit. You could combine the change in policy with opening the list on Top Bits as part of the "rebranding" campaign.
    Then, in parallel you also further promote NetBuilders...

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    Quote Originally Posted by javanx3d View Post
    Hmmm, the more I think about it, if you force the scammer to buy netbucks with the stolen cc to then use to buy the listing, it does force 2-3 extra steps for them to take to use the cards. Most, not all, thieves are lazy so if you added another pre-requisite such as 50 or 100 posts on NB to be able to "buy" netbucks it might reduce the scammage a bit. You could combine the change in policy with opening the list on Top Bits as part of the "rebranding" campaign.
    Then, in parallel you also further promote NetBuilders...
    I like the idea of having a pre-requisite of 100 or so posts on NetBuilders to be able to submit proxies.

    The practice of regular deletion of posts of poor quality will ensure no one is trying to fill NB with fluff to reach the target.

    In spite of this, if users choose to resort to credit card theft and are exposed, they will receive a body blow to their own reputations.

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