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    Go left. No, go right. No, go up the center. Jump through this hoop, and this hoop, and this hoop, and this hoop, and this hoop, and this . . .

    This is what happens whenever a government or major company gains too much power.

    I am in the process in disengaging from "all things Google" to whatever degree possible. If someone gave me the most expensive Android phone with lifetime free service, it would go in the trash.

    If I could get about 100 million people to join me, we might get their attention. A journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheep View Post
    Of course you're right Google has been trying to dictate how webmasters run their sites for years. It is just another sign that Google has become too powerful for its own good (and ours). I do hope if Google moves on this that they just chose to ignore those links instead of actually penalizing them, although I haven't used unrelated links for years anyway.
    Very true!

    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I think Google has too much money, too few ways to spend it and too many young eggheads on their teams that have never run a business or a successful web site that they spend hundreds or thousands of hours building. Google has almost completely destroyed the spirit of entrepreneurship for millions of young webmasters as it existed 4 or 5 years ago. I'm not talking about the black hatters or spammers, but about the legitimate small businesses that no longer have much chance for monetary success.
    You are damn right on that: "Google has almost completely destroyed the spirit of entrepreneurship for millions of young webmasters as it existed 4 or 5 years ago"

    Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    Now they are changing rules constantly, just to keep webmasters busy trying to redo their websites.

    Bottom line to me?
    Google is saying, in a not so subtle way, that if you want visitors from us, you will play by our rules and you will pay us for those visitors one way or another.
    Google is going to take a big dive from the majority of the webmasters, because they take us for cash cows.


    When google is going to stuck in a saturated market, they wouldn't provide 30% each year on their shares, that's when google will destroy themselves.

    I remember when Cutts said that a link is a link, so it is pretty interesting how they changed their mind. You have to be dumb to believe that google will clean from their serps spammers and black hat, they adapt quicker than most of us and at some point google don't give a damn about the collateral dammages they are inflicting to the young entrepreneurs.

    With google now, it is pay or die to get potential customers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Go left. No, go right. No, go up the center. Jump through this hoop, and this hoop, and this hoop, and this hoop, and this hoop, and this . . .

    This is what happens whenever a government or major company gains too much power.

    I am in the process in disengaging from "all things Google" to whatever degree possible. If someone gave me the most expensive Android phone with lifetime free service, it would go in the trash.

    If I could get about 100 million people to join me, we might get their attention. A journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step.
    Actually more and more people are moving away from google when they found out google gives our government (and other governments, like china) all the information they have on us.
    I bet those who got caught with child porn?
    Searched google for child porn and bam!
    Government knew and went after them.

    Myself I am using other alternatives more and more.
    And liking it!
    Fun to go to other search engines and see where my blogs are on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I am in the process in disengaging from "all things Google" to whatever degree possible. If someone gave me the most expensive Android phone with lifetime free service, it would go in the trash.

    If I could get about 100 million people to join me, we might get their attention. A journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step.
    I trashed everything about google: chrome, adsense, adword, google SE, Gmail, and webmaster tools, ALL gone forever.

    NO MORE GOOGLE

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    I wonder how directory links, bookmarks and sigs work in Bing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    I trashed everything about google: chrome, adsense, adword, google SE, Gmail, and webmaster tools, ALL gone forever.

    NO MORE GOOGLE
    This isn't yet possible until a new search engine gives us the traffic and let's us monetize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    I wonder how directory links, bookmarks and sigs work in Bing?
    I don't know how Bing proceeded with these links, but I can tell you that bing love contents. I have always ranked very high in Bing. I had a lot of directory links, sig forums links, a few articles in articles directories, PR links, etc NO problem. I guess Bing do not penalize the links they don't like, they just ignore them. Frankly I think it is the smartest way to work.

    As far as google, they are just trigger happy to shot down backlinks in the name of "manipulation", these guys are completly parano, perhaps they smoke too much weeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    I don't know how Bing proceeded with these links, but I can tell you that bing love contents. I have always ranked very high in Bing. I had a lot of directory links, sig forums links, a few articles in articles directories, PR links, etc NO problem. I guess Bing do not penalize the links they don't like, they just ignore them. Frankly I think it is the smartest way to work.
    Bing/Yahoo accounts for 30% of search traffic. This is a good slice of the pie. The issue with Bing is that you need to rank #1 to get any lind of traffic. Bing displays eight results. No. 1 receives a 9.66% ctr and No. 8 drops to 0.65%. That's some difference. In comparison, Google has double the ctr and accounts for 97% of mobile traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    Bing/Yahoo accounts for 30% of search traffic. This is a good slice of the pie. The issue with Bing is that you need to rank #1 to get any lind of traffic. Bing displays eight results. No. 1 receives a 9.66% ctr and No. 8 drops to 0.65%. That's some difference. In comparison, Google has double the ctr and accounts for 97% of mobile traffic.

    Not that I want to brag about it, but I had many #1 position, mostly I was in page 1 for all my articles and products.

    I also had a higher order conversion ratio with Bing than google. I guess google is anything but broad traffic but nothing really targeted, they produce quantity but not quality whatever they seem to claim.

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    If your work is on the net it's damned hard to disengage from google, but I guess I can fall bacl on herding goats or something, cause I'm doing as little interface w/ G as possible. They're scary and growing moreso. I used to think that was a silly fear. Every day brings a new reason to apologize for laughing at guys wearing tinfoil.

    On the bright side the best thing that'd happen to forum discussions would be for Google to devalue forum links of every kind. Suddenly the conversations would be about the topic, not infested with me-too link-spammers. It'd throttle traffic in all forums at the same time, but they'd be better places for the loss.

    ADDED -- Of course even if they totally devalued forum links there's that contingent that still spam Dmoz like it's 1999... so I wonder how many years it'd take for them to figure out spamming forums is dumb?
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    Google is a monkey that is hard to shake from your back. I always through I would continue to work on the web for the rest of my days on this planet, but Google's continued assault on just about every small business on the web has made me start to rethink my plans for the future.

    For years I have said, "Google hates anyone who makes money on the web--unless their name is Google." However, I didn't think they would take it as far as they have. Just think about of the damage they have done to the Internet economy at the worst possible time. It is not only what has been done to destroy income producing opportunities, but also the diminished value of web sites and domain names, and the current sharp decline in demand for website building services. Meanwhile, these chuckleheads think they are cleaning up the web. Bwahahahahaha!

    Perhaps Bing will become more viable if more people move away from Google. I agree with bogart. I currently see very little traffic from Bing, even for popular search phrases that rank on page 1. You would think that having a Bing/Yahoo 30% market share would drive at least half as much traffic as Google, but it doesn't come anywhere close to that.

    I was recently contacted by an Indian link building company who claimed to be the largest forum and social networking forum link builder. The rep said that Google cherishes forum links and social networks. After I stopped laughing and told him, "that and 50 cents is worth a sum total of 50 cents", he hung up.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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