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    Google’s antitrust troubles continue to mount

    While the company faces scrutiny from the European Commission and the state of Texas, signs increasingly point to a far-reaching probe by the U.S. government of Google’s search business. Google is also awaiting the Justice Department’s verdict on its proposed $700 million purchase of travel software firm ITA.
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52558.html#ixzz1IhP4qKUVAn article by Bloomberg News late Monday said that the FTC is now considering a broad investigation of possible anti-competitive conduct by Google. However, this is just the latest tea leaf to suggest mounting government concern.
    Among the other signs:

    -FTC Commissioner J. Thomas Rosch told POLITICO last week that he’s concerned that four top Internet companies are using their dominance to shut out competitors. Google was the first that he named.
    Signs point to broader probe of Google - Mike Zapler - POLITICO.com


    The Google motto is hilarious, because you just see website brands on the top of their pages all over the search engine: “We built Google for users, not websites, and serving our users is our number one goal."

    My question is: Do you believe Google Motto or do you think Google is practicing anti-competitive conduct?
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    look I do not think there is a better search engine so people who plan to compete must present something totally different with unique features that have not been seen or experienced before, otherwise there will be no point developing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aziz View Post
    look I do not think there is a better search engine so people who plan to compete must present something totally different with unique features that have not been seen or experienced before, otherwise there will be no point developing it.
    There is no doubt that Google is a better search engine on the market, but ma question was to whom this search engine benefits the most?

    You can read on many webmasters boards that many serious webmasters work hard for their sites or their customer sites, and a lot of complaints arise. Most of the discussions are about the fairness of the rankings (SERPS).

    I personally don't like when the system is corrupted to favorize corporations friends in rankings, just because they are brands. As you can see many brands are going in bankruptcy or restructurations because they fail in their businesses. So I don't think Google is right to put these companies on the top rankings, just because they are brands, for me it is building monopolies and there are laws in this country against that.

    Now if the brands compete equally with their competitors I have no problem with that. like we say in French "Que le meilleur gagne".
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    I agree with that Google motto, and at least on the surface I think they fit it as well. Why should they make Google serve web sites? Why should web sites serve Google? The end users are the bottom line.

    As for anti-competitive practices, they are pretty much the law. Go back in history and see who founded the institution of a "corporation" and what does it stand for. Watch "The Corporation" movie which has the details on this. Corporations are given power by the government, and when they grow "out of control", the government starts playing dumb and waving the magic "antitrust" wand as if it will solve anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memenode View Post
    Watch "The Corporation" movie which has the details on this. Corporations are given power by the government, and when they grow "out of control", the government starts playing dumb and waving the magic "antitrust" wand as if it will solve anything.
    I watched this movie lol, perhaps another movie will show much more details on how a multinational corporation is working, here is the link Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices

    Enjoy
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    Another article showing some metrics:

    Google Panda Update Benefits Google Properties | WebProNews
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    I recall the near uselessness of SEs pre-Google. They earned their current position precisely by making an algorithm that screwed the hell outta the early "optimization" techniques that allowed guys (like me) to literally own certain search terms. I mean, with the old SEs I had a stack of terms for which you got a page of results... where you had to get off the first page to get anything but deeplinks of a site I owned.

    Google got to the top by producing a product that returned relevant search results... not by pandering to webmaster's desires to keep a search term hostage regardless of relevance. Webmasters dont have an inalienable right to never lose position when the algorithm is changed to provide users more relevant results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    That title is misleading considering that the subtitle and content also shows competitors gaining as well, so this is just baiting.

    Btw, gonna watch that Walmart movie when I catch some time.

    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    I recall the near uselessness of SEs pre-Google. They earned their current position precisely by making an algorithm that screwed the hell outta the early "optimization" techniques that allowed guys (like me) to literally own certain search terms.
    Indeed. I'm a minority, but I disliked SEO from the beginning, and it's hard to say this without feeling like I'm getting on some people's nerves. The way I see it though is this. You have search engines whose job is to return most relevant and the best quality content as results. And then you have webmasters who are supposed to produce just that, useful relevant content of great quality. What then is "SEO" in this picture if not simply trying to make the best content? It always seemed to me that if you simply create something great you'll be able to attract some traction no matter what, if you can stand by what you created. The more evolved search engines get, the more you can rely on them to reward this good work directly, unless of course they simultaneously implement biases towards "bigger players" instead towards good content (which IMHO will be Google's undoing if they do that).

    SEO, its strength and necessity, as well as the proliferation of spam is a direct result of SE's weaknesses, not their strengths, and those weaknesses are something to eradicate. It goes without saying that its eradication removes all SEO which isn't about content quality and relevance as well.

    This is why I sometimes think "the best SEO is no SEO, just do good work". This might be increasingly true as SEs continue to evolve.

    To clarify though, being "against" SEO in this way isn't being against relying on search engines for traffic. Secondly, I do realize that imperfection of search engines will give way to SEO gamers to use its weaknesses to get to higher ground and that this, by network effect, necessitates the others to use some similar tactics to stay ahead, so I understand people who are into this game so much, but I also think they should be aware that this is a temporary situation, and that the ideal is no gaming at all, just good content. Third, I might sound like a google propagandist sometimes, but I'm actually neutral. I'm biased towards certain views and principles, not towards people and companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    I recall the near uselessness of SEs pre-Google. They earned their current position precisely by making an algorithm that screwed the hell outta the early "optimization" techniques that allowed guys (like me) to literally own certain search terms. I mean, with the old SEs I had a stack of terms for which you got a page of results... where you had to get off the first page to get anything but deeplinks of a site I owned.

    Google got to the top by producing a product that returned relevant search results... not by pandering to webmaster's desires to keep a search term hostage regardless of relevance. Webmasters dont have an inalienable right to never lose position when the algorithm is changed to provide users more relevant results.
    Rob that's what Google policies are doing to keep national or international corporations at the top of their rankings, that is deliberate.

    Regular webmasters are just having futile presence in Google.

    As far as the anti-trust mounting against Google, you know like me that Google is paying his lobbyists in Washington to get as much as they can to satisfy a decent percentage of revenues to their shareholders.

    Let's see what Larry Page is capable, Eric Schmidt did a pretty good job from a multi national corporation point of view in my opinion.

    For webmasters like us, it will be the same principal like what they are doing for the organic farms, killing their businesses step by step to let the corporations taking over all little businesses.

    It will be soon the end for us and many colleagues in our field, I predict less then 10 future alorightms update and we will be done.

    You know like me, that's all about money power and political agendas.
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    You know like me, that's all about money power and political agendas.
    I'm almost positive money is the primary reason all businesses are in operation. I wasn't under the impression Google was in biz to save the whales or cure global warming.

    Unless absolutely necessary I'd like our government, which would have failed long ago if it were a business, to stay the hell outta policing the internet or telling Google how to operate. Every time that camel sticks its nose in a tent things go to hell. Government isnt a cure to our problems... it IS the problem.

    If USERS jointly decide Google sucks they'll vote with their feet and go use Yahoo or DuckDuckGo or something. I do not want the assholes in Congress (most of whom know zip about the web) or the Justice Dept to impose themself in a situation the free market can cure IF needed.
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