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    Should Google and Facebook Be Filtering Our Content For Us?

    Is the personalization of the Internet a step backwards? Is the wealth of information that is accessible to us being reduced because the products we use are filtering it all so heavily? This is a discussion that has been gaining momentum in recent weeks.
    Should Google and Facebook Be Filtering Our Content For Us? | WebProNews

    Watch Eli Pariser video talking about The “Filter Bubble”.

    I think that it is very dangerous to have the information filtered from any social media or search engines.

    I am almost 50 years old and I don't need people imposing their morality on me or censoring things for me.

    I will go one step further and ask why Eric Schmidt was participating to the bilderberg group meeting this year in Switzerland? Is he taking orders from them on what Google should censured or not for us?
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    More likely the “Filter Bubble” is about ad targeting. The WPN articles contains a pitch for search engine DuckDuckGo. Duck results are heavily skewed to authority sites which is another type of "Bubble".

    Social network sites break the "Authority Bubble", but then you're back in the bubble. Seems like there's no way around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandrah View Post
    Well, I think that we need some filtering, but not everything as something should left personal. Filters are neccessary when we mean some agrresive or abusive users.
    Regarding the laws here in the US, for example the First Amendment to the United States Constitution allow free speech, so it shouldn't filtered here. People are responsible to protect their children or go in different place if they are offended.

    Giving power to some entities often generate more control and abuse of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    Regarding the laws here in the US, for example the First Amendment to the United States Constitution allow free speech, so it shouldn't filtered here. People are responsible to protect their children or go in different place if they are offended.
    Free Speech doesn't apply here though. Facebook, Google, etc. are private entities, and on private property you can restrict what people may or may not do, including what they may or may not say, or what information they can have access to. If this wasn't so then it would be an unjust violation of free speech if you say denied someone to swear at your home, or deny people to post certain kinds of posts on your site, and so on. I think free speech refers to being able to speak out on and through your own property and properties of those who allow you to, without fear of government's punishment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Elements View Post
    Giving power to some entities often generate more control and abuse of power.
    Facebook, Google etc. have this power whether you give it or not, that is, given that they are merely exercising control over their own property this power wasn't yours to begin with. The only thing you're giving them is your attention and participation while using their services, but said filtering done by Facebook occurs only on Facebook and filtering done by Google occurs only on Google. Nothing is ever stopping you from seeking alternative sources of content, and the free market is still not so choked so as to prevent the beautiful rise of alternatives whenever demand arises, like search engines such as DuckDuckGo who aim to capitalize on exactly such dislike over filtering.

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    I disagree with you but really it doesn't matter because it seems like you defend private entities whether they are right or wrong. By the way and I know you are against that but again if organizations like FTC or WTO, etc. exist it is for a reason, to avoid corporate anarchy.

    Again I disagree with your mind set that any private corporation can make us do whatever they want us to do because their morality is above the law.
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    You're reading too much into what I said. First off, corporations are government created entities, together with all the benefits that entails. Without it, and these agencies, they actually have less power, not more, because they are more directly accountable to the market (e.g. you and me).

    Second, what are you talking about corporation making you do whatever they want? Who is making you do anything? Are you forced to use Facebook? Are you forced to buy anything from anyone? You aren't even forced to follow Google's rules, but do so out of your own self interest, and then complain when they don't have your self interest as their number one goal.

    Finally, what does your attitude say about your own property rights? If you are to be taken seriously at all you have to be consistent. If other people don't have the right to control their own property then you don't have that right either. In that case I guess I can go to your home and claim to have the right to say or do whatever I want in it.

    This isn't defending private entities regardless of what they do. I never defend them when they are the ones using government to get ahead, and I have my own aesthetic reservations about a lot of things that various businesses do, including Google and Facebook. It's just that unlike some, pulling the trigger of a gun called government regulation isn't the first thing that comes to my mind as a solution. Not only is it the wrong solution that only perpetuates a lot of the problems we see, but it is actually ineffectual! That makes it a really primitive solution, more akin to mindless knee jerk reacting than anything else. People like you and me always lose, and corporations you supposedly oppose win either way. They are not on your side, not even FTC and WTO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memenode View Post
    Second, what are you talking about corporation making you do whatever they want? Who is making you do anything? Are you forced to use Facebook? Are you forced to buy anything from anyone? You aren't even forced to follow Google's rules, but do so out of your own self interest, and then complain when they don't have your self interest as their number one goal.
    It seems like your concept of "you are not forced" is completly hypocritical. Sure you are not forced to eat, you are not forced to work, you are not forced to live in a house and so on.

    I think you are an idealist.
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    Choices have consequences, no matter what you choose and which choices are available. You can call those consequences unfair, but that wont make them go away. When I talk about not being forced I talk about nobody putting a gun to your face and telling you to use Facebook, Google etc. Nobody is threatening to injure you if you do otherwise, but that doesn't mean they should be responsible for your well being. You have to eat IF you don't want to be hungry. This is your responsibility. In a similar vein, IF you want Google such as it is to give you traffic, you have to follow their rules, because it's their property that you want to leverage. It is your responsibility to follow those rules, or not get that traffic.

    If you want me to link to you, for a more "up close" example, and I have certain terms according to which I link to other people, you have to respect my terms or not get the link. What you do is up to you, and I shouldn't be called evil because I'm not giving you that link under some other terms or for free. Whenever you try to cross that line you're saying you have the right to control both your property and property of others, and at that point I think everyone is right to ask just who do you think you are to have that right?

    What then about the other person whose property you wish to control? If you can cross that line, someone else inevitably suffers. Government is entirely based off of this approach, on crossing that line, and this is why things are out of whack, why some have so few and others rake it in. That's why I find it ignorant and ironic when people want that same government to solve this problem. It's like asking the dragon to put up a fire he spew. You're more likely to get burned even more than if you just killed the dragon, or evaded it altogether.

    We could stop this if you cease calling me things that have zero relation to what I said (like "hypocritical"). You don't have to agree, but then leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memenode View Post
    We could stop this if you cease calling me things that have zero relation to what I said (like "hypocritical"). You don't have to agree, but then leave it at that.
    I can say the same thing to you, except you are always picking on me on my threads.

    If you feel offended by my answers or if you disagree with me I don't force you to respond or to read my threads
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    I don't want to make you feel picked on. I guess I fail to express disagreement without causing that impression, and I'm sorry for that. I already said before we're on the same side when we just push aside the issue of how to deal with Google and situation they put us in, but it's hard to feel cooperative and supportive when it seems you're pushing an entirely counter-productive strategy with a helpless-victim mentality (which I don't want to touch with a ten foot pole).

    If anything, some disagreement makes things less boring. On one of my forums long ago we often had "discussions" which were so much about just expressing various ways in which we agree with each other that one of my friends coined a phrase "agreeaview" (interview plus agreement). It's kinda lame when you think about it. EDIT: Actually, that's a lot like those filter bubbles. You're opposing filter bubbles, so this is good! You're encountering someone with very different views from yours! It proves NB isn't in a filter bubble.

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