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  1. #51
    BHO TODAY:
    "I didnt set a red line... the *world* set a red line."
    BHO AUGUST 2012:
    "WE have been very clear to the Assad regime -- but also to other players on the ground -- that a red line for us is WE start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized."


    "That would change MY calculus; that would change MY equation."
    Again with "my". "My calculus". "My equation". Kinda like "my military".
    HE owns this problem, because HE took delivery in August when he opened HIS mouth.

    Here's the CNN report from 8/2012. Note that it does not say "The WORLD warns Syria...."
    Obama warns Syria not to cross 'red line' - CNN.com
    -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. --

  2. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    Here's the CNN report from 8/2012. Note that it does not say "The WORLD warns Syria...."
    Obama warns Syria not to cross 'red line' - CNN.com
    I believe this whole war circus is about hiding the scandals and the elite failure to put back this country in the right direction.

    First the red line is not making any sense, because death is death whatever the way people died. Launching a strike with hundreds of missiles will just make worse the situation and will accomplish nothing. Right now the alawits and other pro Syrian government are volunteering to be human shields in all military bases. I guess they are making a terrible mistake if they hit Syria and I believe that they underestimate the potential reactions, because this fight is a civil war made with groups fighting another war between Sunni-Shia and if they decide to go in it, they will ignite a bigger war which could triggering a nuke shower.

    War itself is a crime against humanity
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  3. #53
    Yep. The world set a red line. But only one country is supposed to challenge the offender, even through we have no dog in the fight. Me thinks he is bathing in barnyard perfume.

    I am really surprised to see the list of Bozos that is supporting the main circus clown--and completely against the wishes of the American people. Hillary the witch, McCain the fool, Pelosi the brainless, and even Boehner the newly-appointed town idiot. They still have not told us what will be accomplished other than destroying hundreds of millions of dollars in cruise missiles. By now al-Assad has hidden all of his prized weaponry safely in bunkers.

    All of these people need to be committed.

    I agree that is is a huge diversionary tactic to mask the real problems and total lack of leadership on both sides. I'm still not convinced that al-Assad launched the attack. Sarin gas is relatively easy to produce and could have been made by either side.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  4. #54
    What about crimes against humanity like kidnapping, tortures and executions of Syrian soldiers by rebels djihadists? No prisoners? What about the international Geneva conventions and human rights?

    So are we ready to support this people? And if all of the chemical weapons story that Assad was using against his people was a lie similar to the Iraq pretext? Could they be wrong?

    Here what the western governments are eventually going to fight for:

    Syrian rebels execute unarmed government soldiers; dozens killed in fighting

    Syrian rebels executed at least a half-dozen unarmed government soldiers Thursday after attacks on checkpoints near the town of Saraqeb in northwest Syria.At least 28 soldiers and five opposition fighters were killed in the rebel operation, which targeted checkpoints on roads connecting Saraqeb to Aleppo and Ariha, according to the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
    The execution of the soldiers, which was documented in a graphic video posted online Thursday, is not the first time that rebel fighters appear to have committed war crimes. U.N. representatives and human rights organizations have repeatedly criticized the Syrian opposition in recent months for carrying out summary executions and for abusing detainees.
    Syrian rebels execute unarmed government soldiers; dozens killed in fighting - Washington Post


    Syrian Rebels Accused Of Terrorizing Population As Kidnappings, Torture Are Rampant

    Khalil trembles as he recounts his harrowing experience as a prisoner of the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA). He was rounded up in a security sweep in January in his Aleppo neighborhood of Hanno. The FSA was tipped off regime supporters were sabotaging rebel supply lines in areas of the city they controlled. When opposition fighters reached Khalil’s block, they detained all males between the ages of 18 and 25.

    Throughout rebel-held areas, residents complain of FSA abuses ranging from arbitrary arrests and theft to torture. The group’s behavior has drawn the ire of a population that has grown tired of war. And as the revolution enters its third year, Syrians are having a tough time differentiating between the regime’s brutal tactics they grew to despise and the rebels who are increasingly adopting its ways.


    While Khalil refused to give his full name, he nevertheless shared his story. Though the 21-year-old literature student had never held a rifle, he was swept up in the FSA net. For weeks he was held in a cramped room with more than 20 other men. He heard rebels accusing detainees of belonging to the regime’s paramilitary organization known as the shabiha. Their incomprehensible screams as they were tortured still make him tremble. “I feared I was going to be next,” he tells The Media Line, shaking as he reaches for a cigarette. “But I didn’t know anything. That was even worse because I thought they would only torture me more.”


    Though Khalil was roughed up a few times, he never suffered the torturous fate of others in his cell, who passed out from their beatings. As he lingered in jail, his family and friends supplicated senior FSA leaders, pleading that he was a mere civilian. As weeks turned into months, his captors eventually concluded that was the truth and he was released.
    Syrian Rebels Accused Of Terrorizing Population As Kidnappings, Torture Are Rampant
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  5. #55
    There are no good guys on either side of this civil war. That is a very compelling reason to stay out of it. The world will be a better place if we just let them kill each other.

    I have no idea why Obummer is hell-bent on getting involved, when all of our allies have enough sense to stay out of it.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  6. #56
    John Boehner generously donated his balls to charity just before he gets speakership.
    And of course you can always depend on McCain to screw up.

    The rest of are just trying to cover Obama's butt.

    Meanwhile... in American colleges and universities....

    cool war.jpg
    -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. --

  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    Sarin gas is relatively easy to produce and could have been made by either side.
    I guess it is the main point, nobody can prove anything, but they want to start a war and perhaps WW3 from ASSUMPTIONS. All they know is that chemical weapons was used, but nobody have proofs Assad used it. And if there are proofs, they should declassified and show it to the American people.

    "Proof" Assad Used Chemical Weapons Is One Hundred YouTube Clips: Full Report Attached

    Below is the government's assessment of the "Syrian Government’s Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21, 2013." It is exactly as expected, putting the full blame on Assad. What however is absolutely mindblowing is the following:
    "We have identified one hundred videos attributed to the attack, many of which show large numbers of bodies exhibiting physical signs consistent with, but not unique to, nerve agent exposure. The reported symptoms of victims included unconsciousness, foaming from the nose and mouth, constricted pupils, rapid heartbeat, and difficulty breathing. Several of the videos show what appear to be numerous fatalities with no visible injuries, which is consistent with death from chemical weapons, and inconsistent with death from small-arms, high-explosive munitions or blister agents. At least 12 locations are portrayed in the publicly available videos, and a sampling of those videos confirmed that some were shot at the general times and locations described in the footage. We assess the Syrian opposition does not have the capability to fabricate all of the videos, physical symptoms verified by medical personnel and NGOs, and other information associated with this chemical attack."
    In other words, America may be about to launch World War III on the basis of one hundred videos, which it believes "the Syrian opposition does not have the capability to fabricate."
    God help us all.


    U.S. Government Assessment of the Syrian Government’s Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21, 2013
    The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. We further assess that the regime used a nerve agent in the attack. These all-source assessments are based on human, signals, and geospatial intelligence as well as a significant body of open source reporting.Our classified assessments have been shared with the U.S. Congress and key international partners. To protect sources and methods, we cannot publicly release all available intelligence – but what follows is an unclassified summary of the U.S. Intelligence Community’s analysis of what took place.
    Syrian Government Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21


    A large body of independent sources indicates that a chemical weapons attack took place in the Damascus suburbs on August 21. In addition to U.S. intelligence information, there are accounts from international and Syrian medical personnel; videos; witness accounts; thousands of social media reports from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area; journalist accounts; and reports from highly credible nongovernmental organizations.
    A preliminary U.S. government assessment determined that 1,429 people were killed in the chemical weapons attack, including at least 426 children, though this assessment will certainly evolve as we obtain more information.
    We assess with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out the chemical weapons attack against opposition elements in the Damascus suburbs on August 21. We assess that the scenario in which the opposition executed the attack on August 21 is highly unlikely. The body of information used to make this assessment includes intelligence pertaining to the regime’s preparations for this attack and its means of delivery, multiple streams of intelligence about the attack itself and its effect, our post-attack observations, and the differences between the capabilities of the regime and the opposition. Our high confidence assessment is the strongest position that the U.S. Intelligence Community can take short of confirmation. We will continue to seek additional information to close gaps in our understanding of what took place.
    Background:
    The Syrian regime maintains a stockpile of numerous chemical agents, including mustard, sarin, and VX and has thousands of munitions that can be used to deliver chemical warfare agents.
    Syrian President Bashar al-Asad is the ultimate decision maker for the chemical weapons program and members of the program are carefully vetted to ensure security and loyalty. The Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Center (SSRC) – which is subordinate to the Syrian Ministry of Defense – manages Syria’s chemical weapons program.
    We assess with high confidence that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a small scale against the opposition multiple times in the last year, including in the Damascus suburbs. This assessment is based on multiple streams of information including reporting of Syrian officials planning and executing chemical weapons attacks and laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin. We assess that the opposition has not used chemical weapons.
    The Syrian regime has the types of munitions that we assess were used to carry out the attack on August 21, and has the ability to strike simultaneously in multiple locations. We have seen no indication that the opposition has carried out a large-scale, coordinated rocket and artillery attack like the one that occurred on August 21.
    We assess that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons over the last year primarily to gain the upper hand or break a stalemate in areas where it has struggled to seize and hold strategically valuable territory. In this regard, we continue to judge that the Syrian regime views chemical weapons as one of many tools in its arsenal, including air power and ballistic missiles, which they indiscriminately use against the opposition.
    The Syrian regime has initiated an effort to rid the Damascus suburbs of opposition forces using the area as a base to stage attacks against regime targets in the capital. The regime has failed to clear dozens of Damascus neighborhoods of opposition elements, including neighborhoods targeted on August 21, despite employing nearly all of its conventional weapons systems. We assess that the regime’s frustration with its inability to secure large portions of Damascus may have contributed to its decision to use chemical weapons on August 21.
    Preparation:
    We have intelligence that leads us to assess that Syrian chemical weapons personnel – including personnel assessed to be associated with the SSRC – were preparing chemical munitions prior to the attack. In the three days prior to the attack, we collected streams of human, signals and geospatial intelligence that reveal regime activities that we assess were associated with preparations for a chemical weapons attack.
    Syrian chemical weapons personnel were operating in the Damascus suburb of ‘Adra from Sunday, August 18 until early in the morning on Wednesday, August 21 near an area that the regime uses to mix chemical weapons, including sarin. On August 21, a Syrian regime element prepared for a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus area, including through the utilization of gas masks. Our intelligence sources in the Damascus area did not detect any indications in the days prior to the attack that opposition affiliates were planning to use chemical weapons.
    The Attack:
    Multiple streams of intelligence indicate that the regime executed a rocket and artillery attack against the Damascus suburbs in the early hours of August 21. Satellite detections corroborate that attacks from a regime-controlled area struck neighborhoods where the chemical attacks reportedly occurred – including Kafr Batna, Jawbar, ‘Ayn Tarma, Darayya, and Mu’addamiyah. This includes the detection of rocket launches from regime controlled territory early in the
    morning, approximately 90 minutes before the first report of a chemical attack appeared in social media. The lack of flight activity or missile launches also leads us to conclude that the regime used rockets in the attack.
    Local social media reports of a chemical attack in the Damascus suburbs began at 2:30 a.m. local time on August 21. Within the next four hours there were thousands of social media reports on this attack from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area. Multiple accounts described chemical-filled rockets impacting opposition-controlled areas.
    Three hospitals in the Damascus area received approximately 3,600 patients displaying symptoms consistent with nerve agent exposure in less than three hours on the morning of August 21, according to a highly credible international humanitarian organization. The reported symptoms, and the epidemiological pattern of events – characterized by the massive influx of patients in a short period of time, the origin of the patients, and the contamination of medical and first aid workers – were consistent with mass exposure to a nerve agent. We also received reports from international and Syrian medical personnel on the ground.
    We have identified one hundred videos attributed to the attack, many of which show large numbers of bodies exhibiting physical signs consistent with, but not unique to, nerve agent exposure. The reported symptoms of victims included unconsciousness, foaming from the nose and mouth, constricted pupils, rapid heartbeat, and difficulty breathing. Several of the videos show what appear to be numerous fatalities with no visible injuries, which is consistent with death from chemical weapons, and inconsistent with death from small-arms, high-explosive munitions or blister agents. At least 12 locations are portrayed in the publicly available videos, and a sampling of those videos confirmed that some were shot at the general times and locations described in the footage.
    We assess the Syrian opposition does not have the capability to fabricate all of the videos, physical symptoms verified by medical personnel and NGOs, and other information associated with this chemical attack.
    We have a body of information, including past Syrian practice, that leads us to conclude that regime officials were witting of and directed the attack on August 21. We intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on August 21 and was concerned with the U.N. inspectors obtaining evidence. On the afternoon of August 21, we have intelligence that Syrian chemical weapons personnel were directed to cease operations. At the same time, the regime intensified the artillery barrage targeting many of the neighborhoods where chemical attacks occurred. In the 24 hour period after the attack, we detected indications of artillery and rocket fire at a rate approximately four times higher than the ten preceding days. We continued to see indications of sustained shelling in the neighborhoods up until the morning of August 26.
    To conclude, there is a substantial body of information that implicates the Syrian government’s responsibility in the chemical weapons attack that took place on August 21.As indicated, there is additional intelligence that remains classified because of sources and methods concerns that is being provided to Congress and international partners.
    "Proof" Assad Used Chemical Weapons Is One Hundred YouTube Clips: Full Report Attached | Zero Hedge
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  8. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by robjones View Post
    The rest of are just trying to cover Obama's butt.
    Did you ever heard that during the Iwo Jima battle and the Saipan battle the Japanese army indoctrinated their civilian people to believe that the Americans Marines were going to rape women, and kill children and forced them to jump from the cliffs.

    See how powerful a state could lie to their people?

    Now when I read that, these people are very dangerous because they don't even realize for what they are voting, they just follow. What loyalty when things are going to turn with nukes?

    Democratic Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton said Tuesday that at the current time, the only reason she would vote in favor of an attack on Syria was out of loyalty to Barack Obama.
    Dem Congresswoman: Only Reason I’d Vote for Syria Attack Is Loyalty to Obama | NewsBusters
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  9. #59
    Yep. Voting to commit kids to battle and potentially get them killed for the sake of party loyalty is possibly the stupidest fucking idea of any time. My own son got outta the USMC a few years ago and my daughter left a job in Israel (actually in Palestinian territory) less than a yr ago, so both of mine are outta harm's way for the immediate time.

    BUT...I dont favor sacrificing someone elses kid to this damned fools errand just to save Obama's credibility. Personally I find it amusing he thinks he has credibility to save. What a fucking idiot. If he hasnt figured it out by the fact nobody will join his "coalition"... that ship has sailed.
    -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. --

  10. #60
    Well said . . . especially the "What a fucking idiot" part.

    At this point in the lunacy the Americam people should be marching on Washington with pitchforks and torches with the intent of removing the devil and his advocates from power.

    I am not a religious guy, but I do study bible prophecies. I am beginning to wonder if this guy is the real anti-Christ found in both the Bible and Koran. The Koran predicts that a man will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. This figure is Islam's savior, the Mahdi. He will lead the Islamic world into victory over the infidels, which creates a world of Islamic bliss. Obama also increasingly fits the description of the anti-Christ in the bible. Some people say that he has to be born out of Rome, but few realize that Rome is a metaphor for the most powerful nation on earth. Also, before Washington DC picked up its current moniker, one of the original settlements was named Rome. Washington DC therefore sits upon Rome.
    Last edited by TopDogger; 5 September, 2013 at 13:02 PM.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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