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  1. #81
    I don't think we can just take wikipedia or articles because like I said it is very complicated. You have to study the history of the religions and the biblical explanation.

    Everything starts from the Middle East origin, and you have to go back from the common origin to Abraham.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  2. #82
    The current conflicts have nothing to do with the Bible. All of the current conflicts throughout the Middle East and former Persia are related to the teachings of Mohammad and his death in 632. Mohammad was a warlord who united Arabia through conquest. His vision called for all lands to be ruled by Islam. He was never a man of peace. Mohammad was initially allied with the Jews, but mistakenly felt they had betrayed him and he turned against them. What you see today is a reflection of that.

    The two major factions of Islam have been killing each other ever since Mohammad's death in dispute over who should rule Islam. Throughout history the major killer of Muslims has always been other Muslims. It was never the Crusaders or the Jews. Muslims were always the aggressors who were continually trying to expand their territory.

    The much feared Moors who ravaged large parts of Europe were the Muslim army. They even conquered major parts of Spain and held it for hundreds of years. The Barbary Coast Pirates were a Muslim navy who demanded tribute from every passing ship. Our own Thomas Jefferson went to war with them. Vlad the Impaler, who is believed to be the model for Dracula, became famous in the 15th century when the Moors tried to invade his Romanian territory. He stopped and defeated the first wave and then impaled the survivors on pikes, which scared the heck out of the second wave who then fled. The Moors evolved into the Ottoman Empire, which is the root of most Muslim countries in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. The point is that Western history is riddled with Muslim territory expansion attacks that are not reported for what they really were.

    Sure, the issues are complex, but only due to the dogmatic mentality and pigheaded nature of the participants.

    Actually, it is just too easy to say the issues are complex. They are only complex because of the stubborn and non-negotiable nature of the people. There have been periods of hundreds of years of peace with Islam, but only after they have been beaten into submission and they retreated to their own lands. These cycles have repeated many times since 632.

    I cannot find the article, and I have not seen any current information, but in 2011 there were 73 armed conflicts throughout the world. 70 of them had Muslims on one or both sides. So much for the religion of peace. Unfortunately, this is not just a Middle East problem. The world is suffering from another wave of Muslim attacks.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I cannot find the article, and I have not seen any current information, but in 2011 there were 73 armed conflicts throughout the world. 70 of them had Muslims on one or both sides. So much for the religion of peace. Unfortunately, this is not just a Middle East problem. The world is suffering from another wave of Muslim attacks.
    Well if like you said the world is suffering from another wave of Muslim attacks, why are we going in their different business to ignite armed conflicts?

    You cannot force people for peace if the belligerent don't want it.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Franc Tireur View Post
    Well if like you said the world is suffering from another wave of Muslim attacks, why are we going in their different business to ignite armed conflicts?

    You cannot force people for peace if the belligerent don't want it.
    I agree. And as I have been saying all along, the world will be a better place if we just let them kill each other. We should only respond when we are threatened, which is the weak argument that Obomber has been making that he has never explained. I do not see how a civil war in Syria is threatening us. But when we chose a side, the other is likely to repatriate against us. I think the Idiot in Chief believes that helping al Qaeda is going to make them more appreciative. That has never happened with Muslims throughout history. No matter what we do, we are still Infidels and our only value to them is while we are spending our resources protecting them.

    Here is the type of appreciation we can expect from al Qaeda. This threat was made yesterday.

    Al Qaeda calls for attacks inside United States
    Last edited by TopDogger; 13 September, 2013 at 12:38 PM.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I do not see how a civil war in Syria is threatening us.
    That's right, and they should say clearly what is the agenda without a made-up story taking people for stupid. If they want to give hell, they can go ahead and just bomb the hell out of these countries, and get what they want.

    Last edited by Franc Tireur; 13 September, 2013 at 15:18 PM.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  6. #86
    U.S. military confirms rebels had sarin

    As part of the Obama administration’s repeated insistence – though without offering proof – that the recent sarin gas attack near Damascus was the work of the Assad regime, the administration has downplayed or denied the possibility that al-Qaida-linked Syrian rebels could produce deadly chemical weapons.
    However, in a classified document just obtained by WND, the U.S. military confirms that sarin was confiscated earlier this year from members of the Jabhat al-Nusra Front, the most influential of the rebel Islamists fighting in Syria.

    The document says sarin from al-Qaida in Iraq made its way into Turkey and that while some was seized, more could have been used in an attack last March on civilians and Syrian military soldiers in Aleppo.
    The document, classified Secret/Noforn – “Not for foreign distribution” – came from the U.S. intelligence community’s National Ground Intelligence Center, or NGIC, and was made available to WND Tuesday.
    It revealed that AQI had produced a “bench-scale” form of sarin in Iraq and then transferred it to Turkey.

    A U.S. military source said there were a number of interrogations as well as some clan reports as part of what the document said were “50 general indicators to monitor progress and characterize the state of the ANF/AQI-associated Sarin chemical warfare agent developing effort.”
    “This (document) depicts our assessment of the status of effort at its peak – primarily research and procurement activities – when disrupted in late May 2013 with the arrest of several key individuals in Iraq and Turkey,” the document said.
    “Future reporting of indicators not previously observed would suggest that the effort continues to advance despite the arrests,” the NGIC document said.

    The May 2013 seizure occurred when Turkish security forces discovered a two-kilogram cylinder with sarin gas while searching homes of Syrian militants from the al-Qaida-linked Jabhat al-Nusra Front following their initial detention.
    The sarin gas was found in the homes of suspected Syrian Islamic radicals detained in the southern provinces of Adana and Mersia.

    Some 12 suspected members of the al-Nusra Front were arrested. At the time, they were described by Turkish special anti-terror forces as the “most aggressive and successful arm” of the Syrian rebels.
    In the seizure, Turkish anti-terror police also found a cache of weapons, documents and digital data.

    At the time of the arrest, the Russians called for a thorough investigation of the detained Syrian militants found in possession of sarin gas.
    This seizure followed a chemical weapons attack in March on the Khan al-Assal area of rural Aleppo, Syria. In that attack, some 26 people and Syrian government forces were killed by what was determined to be sarin gas, delivered by a rocket attack.
    The Syrian government called for an investigation by the United Nations. Damascus claimed al-Qaida fighters were behind the attack, also alleging that Turkey was involved.

    “The rocket came from a place controlled by the terrorists and which is located close to the Turkish territory,” according to a statement from Damascus. “One can assume that the weapon came from Turkey.”
    The report of the U.S. intelligence community’s NGIC reinforces a preliminary U.N. investigation of the attack in Aleppo which said the evidence pointed to Syrian rebels.
    It also appears to bolster allegations in a 100-page report on an investigation turned over to the U.N. by Russia. The report concluded the Syrian rebels – not the Syrian government – had used the nerve agent sarin in the March chemical weapons attack in Aleppo.

    While the contents of the report have yet to be released, sources tell WND the documentation indicates that deadly sarin poison gas was manufactured in a Sunni-controlled region of Iraq and then transported to Turkey for use by the Syrian opposition, whose ranks have swelled with members of al-Qaida and affiliated groups.
    The documentation that the U.N. received from the Russians indicated specifically that the sarin gas was supplied to Sunni foreign fighters by a Saddam-era general working under the outlawed Iraqi Baath party leader, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri.
    Al-Douri was a top aide to Saddam Hussein before he was deposed as Iraqi president.
    The sarin nerve gas used in the Allepo attack, sources say, had been prepared by former Iraqi Military Industries Brig. Gen. Adnan al-Dulaimi. It then was supplied to Baath-affiliated foreign fighters of the Sunni and Saudi Arabian-backed al-Nusra Front in Aleppo, with Turkey’s cooperation, through the Turkish town of Antakya in Hatay Province.

    The source who brought out the documentation now in the hands of the U.N. is said to have been an aide to al-Douri.
    Al-Dulaimi was a major player in Saddam’s chemical weapons production projects, the former aide said. Moreover, Al-Dulaimi has been working in the Sunni-controlled region of northwestern Iraq where the outlawed Baath party now is located and produces the sarin.
    Read the entire article there: U.S. military confirms rebels had sarin

    If this proves to be true, then it is much worse than what has been said.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  7. #87
    US and Russia reach agreement in Syria weapons talks

    Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov have reached an agreement on a framework for securing Syria's chemical weapons on the third day of intense negotiations in Geneva. Syria has one week to comply. And if Syrian leaders fail to comply, the United States and Russia will seek a United Nations Security Council resolution, Kerry and Lavrov said.

    At a news conference Saturday, Kerry said the pair and their teams of experts had reached "a shared assessment" of the existing stockpile and that Syria must destroy all of its weapons.
    Kerry said, "we have committed to a standard that says, verify and verify." The negotiations between the United States and Russia on securing Syria's chemical weapons also are considered key to a resumption of peace talks to end the 2 1/2-year Syrian civil war.

    A spokesman for the U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said after the announcement: "The secretary-general looks forward to learning more of this framework agreement and pledges the support of the United Nations in its implementation. The Secretary-General expresses his fervent hope that the agreement will, first, prevent any future use of chemical weapons in Syria and, second, help pave the path for a political solution to stop the appalling suffering inflicted on the Syrian people."


    The Obama administration welcomed the agreement but made clear that the use of military force is still an option.
    "While we have made important progress, much more work remains to be done," President Obama said. "The United States will continue working with Russia, the United Kingdom, France, the United Nations and others to ensure that this process is verifiable, and that there are consequences should the Assad regime not comply with the framework agreed today. And, if diplomacy fails, the United States remains prepared to act."


    US and Russia reach agreement in Syria weapons talks | Fox News

    Political solutions are the way to go, maybe it is not easy but it is worth trying until all the diplomatic talks are exhausted.

    Perhaps it is the time to bring to the UN attention the selling of all components making chemical and biological weapons around the world. World wide Elite need to grow up and ban all of these weapons of mass destruction which in my opinion are the tools for crimes against humanity.

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  8. #88
    This is all BS. It makes Putin look like the Great Peacemaker and makes the Chicago crime syndicate in the White House look like less of a group of war mongers than they were last week. Putin just saved Obomber's bacon.

    We are never going to see a full inventory of Syrian chemical weapons and the only weapons likely to be turned over are going to be outdated or obsolete

    Syria has all of Iraq's chemical weapons, as we were informed by the Israelis when we went into Iraq. We also have the records documenting the caravans of trucks that transported the weapons to Syria. The fact that there is no proof that the al-Assad regime used the weapons is just another wildcard thrown into the mix.

    Obomber was once again on television claiming that the use of chemical weapons is a violation of international law. There is no such law. There is only a treaty that Syria did not sign.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    This is all BS. It makes Putin look like the Great Peacemaker and makes the Chicago crime syndicate in the White House look like they are less of a group of war mongers than they were last week. Putin just saved Obomber's bacon.

    We are never going to see a full inventory of Syrian chemical weapons and the only weapons likely to be turned over are going to be outdated or obsolete

    Syria has all of Iraq's chemical weapons, as we were informed by the Israelis when we went into Iraq. We also have the records documenting the caravans of trucks that transported the weapons to Syria. The fact that there is no proof that the al-Assad regime used the weapons is just another wildcard thrown into the mix.

    Obomber was once again on television claiming that the use of chemical weapons is a violation of international law. There is no such law. There is only a treaty that Syria did not sign.
    I agree with you, there is a lot of BS. What I think is that the Syrian issue was mismanaged by the Western leaders, and some other countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar took opportunities in this conflict that destroyed the help western countries could have given to support the oppressed Syrian people. Now by a lack of quick decisions, it will be very hard to take the lead and remove Assad which is a bloody dictator!

    As far as Syria has all of Iraq's chemical weapons, as we were informed by the Israelis, I believe the Israelis wouldn't let the weapons flew just like that.

    Once again, in all of these conflict the civilians are paying a very hard price.
    Last edited by Franc Tireur; 18 September, 2013 at 02:16 AM.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  10. #90
    Assad moving chemical weapons to Iraq and Lebanon, Syria opposition General Salim Idriss claims to CNN’s Amanpour

    The head of the opposition Free Syrian Army told CNN's Christiane Amanpour on Thursday he has intelligence showing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government is moving its chemical weapons out of the country. "Today, we have information that the regime began to move chemical materials and chemical weapons to Lebanon and to Iraq," Gen. Salim Idriss said from inside Syria.
    CNN could not independently verify Idriss' claim.
    Several senior Israeli officials told CNN's Elise Labott that they have not seen movements into Lebanon or Iraq, and that they did not believe it made sense for the Syrians to be moving weapons so soon.
    And Iraq categorically denied that chemical weapons had crossed into its territory, with an adviser to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki speculating "there is a political agency behind this claim."


    "We were the victims of chemical weapons under Saddam's regime," said the adviser, Ali al-Moussawi. "And we will never allow to let any country to transfer chemical materials to our lands at all."
    Still, if the allegation were true, it could fundamentally shift the assessments of U.S. intelligence officials, CNN's Barbara Starr reports.
    Namely, these officials have said that al-Assad would not disperse his stockpile of chemical weapons because he knows the United States would not bomb it, that Syrian security forces firmly control the weapons and that there exists a large, secure infrastructure that has been moving these arms from rebel-held areas.
    Moving these weapons into Iraq, Lebanon or some other country outside Syria might prompt U.S. intelligence authorities to question whether they were being transferred by a rogue element or whether it was evidence of a crack in the government's control.
    Assad moving chemical weapons to Iraq and Lebanon, Syria opposition General Salim Idriss claims to CNN’s Amanpour – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs

    It could be a game changer if it is proven true, in this case the US and Allies could strike as it could be a violation of the recent agreement.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


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