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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    See what I mean about crime family control?
    I think you have to be honest that family control doesn't involve only unions, if you think that way you have a completely blinded view. Yes you have to follow the money, but the money flow more above than the bottom.

    The ones who made fortunes are often the most fierce and cruel people because they reign without sharing and they are the ones who created monopolies, created cartels, and they use their time and money to conspire against the others.

    From history, you can find how these rich families made fortunes, often they cheated, they conspired, and they basically build their empires from lies and exploitation, really nothing to admire except their ferocity.

    Today, if you open your eyes, they use us to make wars for their own interests, they manipulate the markets like they want, they destroy the lower class when they don't need them, they use the taxpayers money to save their own asses because they made bad bets, and they really don't care about us.

    So who are the real criminels?
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Franc Tireur View Post
    I think you have to be honest that family control doesn't involve only unions, if you think that way you have a completely blinded view. Yes you have to follow the money, but the money flow more above than the bottom.
    I never said that crime families only focus on unions. I said their main businesses also include shopping malls, casinos and trash removal. They control lots of other businesses since they went "legitimate" in the 1950s.

    Quote Originally Posted by Franc Tireur View Post
    From history, you can find how these rich families made fortunes, often they cheated, they conspired, and they basically build their empires from lies and exploitation, really nothing to admire except their ferocity.
    Yes, they did. You are correct. But today there are many laws that protect people from these tactics. Those laws did not exist back then. Today's most successful business people do not use these tactics. Steven Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and many others built their fortunes and success with good products and services. Not everyone who is fabulously wealthy did it in an illegal manner. The real robber baron crooks of the past appear to still exist on Wall Street and in Washington DC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Franc Tireur View Post
    Today, if you open your eyes, they use us to make wars for their own interests, they manipulate the markets like they want, they destroy the lower class when they don't need them, they use the taxpayers money to save their own asses because they made bad bets, and they really don't care about us. So who are the real criminels?
    That sounds like the "invisible ruling class", such as the Rothchild's and Bilderberg Group. When you mention "often they cheated, they conspired, and they basically build their empires from lies and exploitation, really nothing to admire except their ferocity" the first impression I get is not one of the Rothchild's and Bilderberg members. I see a clear image of our current political leaders.

    The crooks cannot get away with the issues that you raise without the participation and blessing of our leaders. When their roots are in Chicago, and Chicago is likely the most corrupt city in the USA and one that is clearly controlled by the crime syndicates, that raises issues about who is really directing the policies in Washington DC.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by TopDogger View Post
    I never said that crime families only focus on unions. I said their main businesses also include shopping malls, casinos and trash removal. They control lots of other businesses since they went "legitimate" in the 1950s.
    I am not talking about mob families which account for almost nothing compared to the real old and rich aristocrat families (I am not talking about royalty, but instead all opportunists who made their fortune in early 18th -19th centuries).


    Yes, they did. You are correct. But today there are many laws that protect people from these tactics. Those laws did not exist back then. Today's most successful business people do not use these tactics. Steven Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and many others built their fortunes and success with good products and services. Not everyone who is fabulously wealthy did it in an illegal manner. The real robber baron crooks of the past appear to still exist on Wall Street and in Washington DC.
    All of these guys are the new generation of billionaires from computer tech, if you pay attention they work the same way as the old billionaires, first they are true innovators, second they consolidate the same way their market by trying to monopolize it, when you control your market, you can put the price you want.


    That sounds like the "invisible ruling class", such as the Rothchild's and Bilderberg Group. When you mention "often they cheated, they conspired, and they basically build their empires from lies and exploitation, really nothing to admire except their ferocity" the first impression I get is not one of the Rothchild's and Bilderberg members. I see a clear image of our current political leaders.
    You are making an amalgam between a rich family and the international think tank that influence the world.
    Because you are talking about this family, I will ask you that: Why do you need to worth $500 Trillion? And I will quote them:

    Rothschild quotes:

    "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."

    "I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ...The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply."

    "We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

    The crooks cannot get away with the issues that you raise without the participation and blessing of our leaders. When their roots are in Chicago, and Chicago is likely the most corrupt city in the USA and one that is clearly controlled by the crime syndicates, that raises issues about who is really directing the policies in Washington DC.
    The crime syndicates you are mentioning is nothing compared to the real world wide syndicate that nobody talk about, but I can tell you that the police worldwide know about it.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  4. #14
    The main problem with the elite goal is not only helping emerging countries (and the ones not so friendly) which could be barely acceptable, what they want is a total shift of our economies to dilute wages into the whole world. The objective of this policy is targeting a much larger market pool and make bigger profits at the expense of the working people. The elite planning this shift make their policy based on numbers and obedience from the emerging countries.

    Once these people will be self-sufficient, you bet that they will pursuit their own goals and ditch the foreign investors and corporate and I won't blame them for that.

    How many generations will be sacrificed for the elite pure greed?


    World Banker makes Stunning Confession

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Voltaire


  5. #15
    Hi,

    If the apple don't fall far from the tree as the say, can someone please explain this guy to me?

    Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    So was he a mobster, crook, or nice guy?





    So how crooked was are 35th President of the United States?

    It all goes back to the City of Chicago and the mob. This must the case were all involved were big fat liars.

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  6. #16
    Joseph Kennedy was the father of the Kennedy boys. He was probably the most brilliant political scammer in the history of the USA, yet he was never elected to a political office.

    He worked up a brilliant scam that got his son, John F. Kennedy, elected to his first political office. JFK was doing poorly in the polls against his opponent. At the last minute his father got another guy on the the ballot with the same last name as the opponent. People did not know who they were voting for and the vote for the opponent was split between two guys with the same last name. JFK won the election.

    The PT109 story about JFK as a war hero was reportedly concocted by Joe Kennedy to help get his son elected. JFK was badly wounded when his PT boat was sunk and could not have rescued anyone. His father reportedly paid the other survivors large sums of money to go along with the fictitious war hero story that claimed his son rescued several members of the crew. When one of the survivors was on his death bed, he revealed what really happened.

    He was also famous for making a deal with the mob to help get JFK elected as president. As a result, over 10,000 dead people in Chicago voted for his son. There was widespread fraud in the 1960 election, which was the closest election in our history. The Bush-Gore election was the second closest. Nixon probably won the 1960 election. The Kennedy brothers then reneged on their dad's deal with the crime syndicates and aggressively prosecuted the crime families. That is why there is a strong belief that the mob assassinated JFK and possibly Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy was the Attorney General who prosecuted the mob. There are numerous mobsters associated with the Kennedy assassinations, including Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby was a smal-time mobster who was a lot like Tony Soprano.

    Joe Kennedy was buddies with FDR, who appointed him as ambassador to England. He was later appointed as the first head of the SEC. The conventional wisdom is that he made his millions by bootlegging, but the real story is that he made his millions though insider trading as chairman of the SEC. The reason that we have insider trading laws today is due to the widespread abuses by Joe Kennedy.

    Joseph Kennedy was not a mobster, nor was he a nice guy. He was a brilliant con artist who also scammed several Hollywood stars out of their fortunes.

    The Wikipedia article is the "flowery" version of the Joe Kennedy story. It is not even close to reality.

    There is a very good book about Joe Kennedy named, "The Sins of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty he Founded" by Ronald Kessler. It is a very interesting book. This guy was continually working scams, yet was never prosecuted for anything. He was a guy who knew how to work the system. That book is in the list of the top 10 most interesting books I have ever read, and I read about 50 to 60 books per year.


    By the way, the John Kerry war hero story is remarkably similar to the concocted JFK story. John Kerry's commanding office said he never approved Kerrys' three Purple Hearts for minor band-aid wounds nor did he approve his Silver Star for heroism. He claimed Kerry filled out the paperwork and he threw Kerry out of his office when he presented the paperwork for approval. He refused to sign the paperwork and a month later the metals showed up. 260 Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth opposed Kerry and his story. The only people who supported Kerry's heroism story were the 5 guys on his boat. So how did Kerry get his metals? The Kerrys were very close friends with the Kennedys. It is believed that Senator Ted Kennedy pushed the metals through the system. John Kerry and Ted Kennedy would eventually control both Senate seats in Massachusetts. Isn't it great when a plan comes together so well?
    Last edited by TopDogger; 21 February, 2014 at 11:38 AM.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin


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