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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.Spencer View Post
    That's not what their published papers say.

    But, Google is a big black box and they are hand editing so much these days that I don't believe anyone knows what's really going on.
    Its mandatory for them to keep their algo secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arpitagarwal82 View Post
    My observations says that page content is also an important factor in gaining pagerank.
    I have seen some of my blogs getting pagerank without any PR link. The content was original and quality.
    Any comments?
    Pages with lots of text and h tags seem to get preference.
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    Pagerank is all about link worth. It has nothing to do with the content on the page, the relevancy or anything else unless they've changed it drastically. It's the aggregate score for a page derived from all the pages that link to it, and all the pages that link to those pages, etc. It's a popularity contest where the judge is a mathematical formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogicFlux View Post
    Pagerank is all about link worth. It has nothing to do with the content on the page, the relevancy or anything else unless they've changed it drastically. It's the aggregate score for a page derived from all the pages that link to it, and all the pages that link to those pages, etc. It's a popularity contest where the judge is a mathematical formula.
    I believe that this is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.Spencer View Post
    I believe that this is correct.
    arpitagarwal82 is probably confusing the PageRank algo and the rank in the SERPs. People get confused because one of the creators(and Google co-founder) of the algo was named Larry Page.
    PageRank != SERP rank

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogicFlux View Post
    Pagerank is all about link worth. It has nothing to do with the content on the page, the relevancy or anything else unless they've changed it drastically. It's the aggregate score for a page derived from all the pages that link to it, and all the pages that link to those pages, etc. It's a popularity contest where the judge is a mathematical formula.
    Quote Originally Posted by LogicFlux View Post
    arpitagarwal82 is probably confusing the PageRank algo and the rank in the SERPs. People get confused because one of the creators(and Google co-founder) of the algo was named Larry Page.
    PageRank != SERP rank
    No, am not confusing PR with SERPs. I am very clear of the difference.
    Is just my personal observation that pages with good content tends to gain PR easily. I may be wrong, but then no one can be 100% sure about Google algo for giving PR (except page and brin and few others in google's den)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogicFlux View Post
    Pagerank is all about link worth. It has nothing to do with the content on the page, the relevancy or anything else unless they've changed it drastically. It's the aggregate score for a page derived from all the pages that link to it, and all the pages that link to those pages, etc. It's a popularity contest where the judge is a mathematical formula.
    Quote Originally Posted by Will.Spencer View Post
    I believe that this is correct.
    Really?

    That seems a bit like believing in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus.

    I've seen a lot of advice from webmasters and so-called seo experts suggesting that they 'know what Google wants', and have seen their own sites take a tumble.

    Certainly link building is important. I don't doubt that is the major part of page rank. But I seriously doubt that either of you could say without a doubt that it is nothing but link popularity. If you can say it without a doubt, I'd suggest not waiting up for Santa Claus this Christmas Eve; you might be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menard View Post
    Really?

    That seems a bit like believing in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus.

    I've seen a lot of advice from webmasters and so-called seo experts suggesting that they 'know what Google wants', and have seen their own sites take a tumble.

    Certainly link building is important. I don't doubt that is the major part of page rank. But I seriously doubt that either of you could say without a doubt that it is nothing but link popularity. If you can say it without a doubt, I'd suggest not waiting up for Santa Claus this Christmas Eve; you might be disappointed.
    Then this must be the equivalent of taking a DNA sample from Mr. Claus and verifying his identity.

    That is the original paper that Larry and Sergey did while students at Stanford. The PR calculation is described in it.

    There's also a million other explanations of PR.

    PR has nothing to do with determining keyword relevancy. It's simply a iterative vote. A way to calculate importance of a page relative to all the other pages indexed. Several different calculations are involved in determining which results are returned. PR in the end is one factor in determining ranking. But being seen as an important page on the web will help a lot. As its put in the paper, PR is used to "prioritize" results. In other words, PR isn't the matching algorithm, another algo or procedure is applied and then "prioritized" using PR.


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    The citation (link) graph of the web is an important resource that has largely gone unused in existing web search engines. We have created maps containing as many as 518 million of these hyperlinks, a significant sample of the total. These maps allow rapid calculation of a web page's "PageRank", an objective measure of its citation importance that corresponds well with people's subjective idea of importance. Because of this correspondence, PageRank is an excellent way to prioritize the results of web keyword searches. For most popular subjects, a simple text matching search that is restricted to web page titles performs admirably when PageRank prioritizes the results (demo available at google.stanford.edu). For the type of full text searches in the main Google system, PageRank also helps a great deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menard View Post
    If you can say it without a doubt, I'd suggest not waiting up for Santa Claus this Christmas Eve; you might be disappointed.
    My mummy always told me that Santa wouldn't come, if you wait up for him.

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