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    handcoding with any text editor that has "auto comple" and "wrap selected" and of course tab triggered snippets are a bonus

    I also started with DW (ver. 3) and it vas really good ad then used table based layouts. I quickly turned to hand coding as I learned more and more of HTML/CSS

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    If someone have full idea about html then we can use notepad or any text editor for hand code. It not then go to dreamviewwer

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    Dreamweaver is too complicated. It's much eaisier to code your site in notepad.

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    Dreamweaver adds all kinds of messy and unneeded coding. I learned the notepad way, and still code the notepad way.
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    I learned by hand, but find WYSIWYG tools nice for quick UI layouts then code hack from there. For newbie HTML authors who work a real job and don't have a ton of time to bloody the forehead with notepad, I start them with a WYSIWYG editor and if they're still coding in a year they'll migrate to wanting to know what they're doing...
    Course, making HTML from XML via XSLT is still one of the coolest things imo for implementing the Model-View-Controller pattern for web authoring...

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    I would love to be able to hand code a site but to learn to hand code would take way too much time. My main goal is to earn money on the net instead. I'm using CMS and learn how to make changes in the code and learn some html and css along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loko View Post
    I would love to be able to hand code a site but to learn to hand code would take way too much time. My main goal is to earn money on the net instead. I'm using CMS and learn how to make changes in the code and learn some html and css along the way.
    The benefit of hand coding in notepad is that you can modify free templates to suit your needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic SEO View Post
    Mostly because they aren't that much accurate yet (well, that's the case of Dreamweaver in my opinion...).
    You'd be surprised at how accurate Dreamweaver has came since Adobe took over.

    Quote Originally Posted by developerholic View Post
    if u really wanna learn... do it the hard way... it pays
    No it doesn't, it costs you. Hand coding does nothing but take extra time to do simple stuff. More time = less money.

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    Ohh, I'm going to have to disagree eclipse,

    Although it's fine for basic sites and things such as templates can work well.

    There are major problems with using dreamweaver, as with all wysiwigs it produces massive amounts of code compared to hand coding. Adding items to an existing app can be incredibly tough. Although compared to Visual Studio it's a compact and efficient application.

    I've run into so many problems using Dreamweaver which would never have happened in a structured hand coded site. Try using Dreamweaver in a team and you'll certainly find it's limitations quickly - no source control, impossible unusable functions and it forces you to use unrealistic file structures.

    I'm not saying there is anything wrong with using Dreamweaver and it certainly depends on what your producing but it's certainly not ideal.

    As a web designer the chances are as you go through your professional life you'll be doing one of these things - start to learn your syntax as your designing and it will stand you in good stead later.
    I'm going to have to disagree with you. I've been using Dreamweaver since 4 came out and still use it constantly and I have YET to have a problem with ANYTHING. All my code comes out clean, uncluttered (I hate cluttered code, and if you really wanna see cluttered, look at a lot of free wordpress templates), and have a habit of rewriting a lot of code because it's to bloated. But when it comes to Dreamweaver, I rarely have to fix anything that is made exclusively in it.

    I can make XHTML/CSS Cross Browser compliant websites quickly and efficiently using JUST Dreamweaver.

    Also it's completion functions are some of the best I've ever used, even though I know HTML and PHP so well that I can use notepad without a problem, but why the hell do I wanna add on extra hours to do something simple when Dreamweaver can crank it out in a quarter of the time? Not to mention the syntax highlighting sure blows the pants off any other program I've used.

    Also what do you mean by unrealistic file structures? I use my own file structures and have never had Dreamweaver force a structure on me.

    Quote Originally Posted by bogart View Post
    Dreamweaver is too complicated. It's much eaisier to code your site in notepad.
    If you like taking 3 hours to do a 1 hour job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zash View Post
    Dreamweaver adds all kinds of messy and unneeded coding. I learned the notepad way, and still code the notepad way.
    Negatory captain. Dreamweaver CS4 actually is one of the best WYSIWYG editors out there and is very clean and compliant code.

    A lot of you guys have probably used older versions and get a sour taste in your mouth with it and refuse to try a newer version and just keep badmouthing it even though they have came out with countless new versions since you used it.

    Also I use the code view like 95% of the time.

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    Those of you who enjoy coding the hard way will surely also appreciate this picture that was done entirely in MS Paint...

    Also, anyone who has dozens of sites to build and take care of would not be doing it in notepad... unless they are insane...
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