Dreamweaver vs. Hand Coding

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22 August, 2009, 00:33 AM
Zash

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

Was probably due to not wanting to pay someone 3 hours of work for an 1 hour of actual work being done in Dreamweaver and result in the same.

Result is not the same. Result is cleaner, more organized, and easier to edit.
22 August, 2009, 00:37 AM
Codythebest

I get paid to correct webmasters' code using Dreamweaver or frontpage...
When you use a tool, it seems you don't know what's going on...
It's easier for me though, since dreamweaver or frontpage did not exist when I first made website in 95'...I had to learn by hand like everybody else back then...
22 August, 2009, 03:05 AM
Josh Manders

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Originally Posted by Zash

Result is not the same. Result is cleaner, more organized, and easier to edit.

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Originally Posted by Codythebest

I get paid to correct webmasters' code using Dreamweaver or frontpage...
When you use a tool, it seems you don't know what's going on...
It's easier for me though, since dreamweaver or frontpage did not exist when I first made website in 95'...I had to learn by hand like everybody else back then...

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Look through the source code of that site. It's still in the works, but the gist of it is there. It's 100% made in Adobe Dreamweaver CS4, by me, including javascript, outside of the premade jQuery plugins. I personally think it's cleaner then a lot of sites code I've seen made in notepad for the fact it's properly indented, and tags are sorted properly also making it easier to read.
22 August, 2009, 03:49 AM
Sundance

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Originally Posted by Farrhad A

Anyone think generators like dreamweaver, Frontpage will ever take over from hand coding websites?

I am just starting to use Dreamweaver.

FrontPage has been dead for a while, so hopefully people stop using it soon especially since it puts out trash code to begin with.

I generally code everything myself in regards to CSS/HTML its all really simple stuff, but no WYSIWYG editors will never go out of business, since most people don't have a clue how to do it by hand.

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

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Look through the source code of that site. It's still in the works, but the gist of it is there. It's 100% made in Adobe Dreamweaver CS4, by me, including javascript, outside of the premade jQuery plugins. I personally think it's cleaner then a lot of sites code I've seen made in notepad for the fact it's properly indented, and tags are sorted properly also making it easier to read.

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...Inline&group=0

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...ning=1&lang=en

:rolleyes:
22 August, 2009, 04:40 AM
A12Alex

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

Was probably due to not wanting to pay someone 3 hours of work for an 1 hour of actual work being done in Dreamweaver and result in the same.

Dreamweaver is pretty much the best WYSIWYG editor but that still doesn't mean it beats hand coding a site. Depending on the site it may take a little longer but in the long run you

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Originally Posted by Sundance

[Invalid] Markup Validation of http://www.vidsplz.com/tmp/ - W3C Markup Validator

W3C CSS Validator results for http://www.vidsplz.com/tmp/ (CSS level 2.1)

:rolleyes:

And the video player isn't / doesn't showing up in IE 6(.0.2900.5512).
22 August, 2009, 04:43 AM
1901gt

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

Was probably due to not wanting to pay someone 3 hours of work for an 1 hour of actual work being done in Dreamweaver and result in the same.

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Originally Posted by A12Alex

Wow... talk about discrimination, but really was that the only reason? lol

The owner said why spend time coding from notepad when you can get the job done faster using Dreamweaver. He then questioned me how long I take to design a simple 5 page website. I said around 3 to 5 days, also depending on how fast the content get to me. Then, he start criticising me saying I'm not productive enough. "My programmer from India here can do this in 1 day! :panic:

Worse he said my design are not up to mark. And if I join his company, "I will teach you what design is all about. I will offer you a position as a design assistant and you will work directly under the programmer (from India)." :p

He claimed they have a software that take other people's design, make some changes to it and make it their own. :thumbdown:

He also said they have done work for big organisations like Google and Yahoo. :rolleyes:

So actually he rejected me at first after criticising my work and my educational certs. But before I leave the room, he suddenly said he will offer me a job as an assistant. Lol.
22 August, 2009, 05:04 AM
Josh Manders

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Originally Posted by Sundance

[Invalid] Markup Validation of http://www.vidsplz.com/tmp/ - W3C Markup Validator

W3C CSS Validator results for http://www.vidsplz.com/tmp/ (CSS level 2.1)

:rolleyes:

Uhhhh... so a few errors, you know I'm still working on it, didn't you read my reply or were you so giddy about pointing out flaws in a production design that you failed to read it properly?

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Originally Posted by A12Alex

Dreamweaver is pretty much the best WYSIWYG editor but that still doesn't mean it beats hand coding a site. Depending on the site it may take a little longer but in the long run you

And the video player isn't / doesn't showing up in IE 6(.0.2900.5512).

I'm not saying Dreamweaver is the best way to do it, I'm just defending Dreamweaver against all the haters saying shit that hasn't been true for years.

Also video player is being severely redone due to all the heavily jQuery modifications and shit I'm doing with it.

I was mostly talking about the cleanliness of the code and easy to read and the structure moreover the fact that my code doesn't validate yet.
22 August, 2009, 05:08 AM
Josh Manders

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Originally Posted by 1901gt

The owner said why spend time coding from notepad when you can get the job done faster using Dreamweaver. He then questioned me how long I take to design a simple 5 page website. I said around 3 to 5 days, also depending on how fast the content get to me. Then, he start criticising me saying I'm not productive enough. "My programmer from India here can do this in 1 day! :panic:

Worse he said my design are not up to mark. And if I join his company, "I will teach you what design is all about. I will offer you a position as a design assistant and you will work directly under the programmer (from India)." :p

He claimed they have a software that take other people's design, make some changes to it and make it their own. :thumbdown:

He also said they have done work for big organisations like Google and Yahoo. :rolleyes:

So actually he rejected me at first after criticising my work and my educational certs. But before I leave the room, he suddenly said he will offer me a job as an assistant. Lol.

3 to 5 days to do a 5 page website? Sorry but that's not very acceptable, I know plenty of designers who can do that in a days worth of work... So your employer guy is right.
22 August, 2009, 05:39 AM
A12Alex

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

I'm not saying Dreamweaver is the best way to do it, I'm just defending Dreamweaver against all the haters saying shit that hasn't been true for years.

To be perfectly honest your coming off as a hater for hand coding. I feel there is nothing better than seeing the results of a design that you made from scratch and by hand. Sure you may be able to / can do the same thing with Dreamweaver but I don't think it would feel the same in the long run.

I've seen the difference between the output of Dreamweaver CS3 and CS4 and I can state that they have greatly improved there product, but I still would never use it(Well I would if I was made to by employer), why? Because I don't like the idea of paying for something that I can do my hand(And because I refuse to use pirated software... lol).

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Originally Posted by 1901gt

He then questioned me how long I take to design a simple 5 page website. I said around 3 to 5 days, also depending on how fast the content get to me..

I have to say that is quite a long time for a 5 page website... but how complex are we talking here? I'm guessing very?
22 August, 2009, 05:55 AM
1901gt

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

3 to 5 days to do a 5 page website? Sorry but that's not very acceptable, I know plenty of designers who can do that in a days worth of work... So your employer guy is right.

Different way of working I guess. :punk:
Its acceptable in my client's eyes.

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