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    Quote Originally Posted by xxtoni View Post
    Flash and HTML5 cant really compare,Flash is a lot more powerful,you can create sites that look far better in Flash then HTML will be capable in the near future,but Flash is a platform that doesn't really have a bright future on the web,not because of things like SEO,but because it is closed,it eats up a lot of resources and requires a very fast connection.
    I beg to differ.

    Flash is the most inaccessible piece of software being used on the web today. Generally I (and the majority of others I konw) won't stay on a website if it is heavily relying on Flash - unless I have to be on it for some reason, which doesn't happen often. I carried out a study last year (for university) about this exact subject, which is how I know that the previous statement is justified.

    In professional web design it is laughed at, developers should only be using it to display video. Using it for anything else in professional web design is bad practice, as you can create most of what Flash can do using open source technologies like JavaScript.

    Flash games are probably the only aspect that flash will keep once HTML 5 becomes the standard. Video/Audio will be taken over by HTML 5's open video format's, and CSS3 brings a lot of new features to mimic behaviour of Flash (e.g. transitions).

    Flash is a dying technology in web design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsdesigns View Post
    I beg to differ.

    Flash is the most inaccessible piece of software being used on the web today. Generally I (and the majority of others I konw) won't stay on a website if it is heavily relying on Flash - unless I have to be on it for some reason, which doesn't happen often. I carried out a study last year (for university) about this exact subject, which is how I know that the previous statement is justified.

    In professional web design it is laughed at, developers should only be using it to display video. Using it for anything else in professional web design is bad practice, as you can create most of what Flash can do using open source technologies like JavaScript.

    Flash games are probably the only aspect that flash will keep once HTML 5 becomes the standard. Video/Audio will be taken over by HTML 5's open video format's, and CSS3 brings a lot of new features to mimic behaviour of Flash (e.g. transitions).

    Flash is a dying technology in web design.
    You didn't understand what I mean,but it is my fault to say the least.

    1)It is a fact that Flash is inaccessible,but I think that I stated tha

    2)They wont stay because of the reasons I named,it's large,takes too long to load and slows everything down

    They laugh at it because its heavy,bulky and doesnt work well on the web,but lets create a hypothetical situation,imagine now that search engines could get along with flash,it was open source and wasnt so bulky.Would you prefer Flash or HTML,don't answer this too quickly,think about it,from a designers perspective,take a look at the animations you can do in Flash,HTML or javascript can't do anything like that.I am not saying that Flash is good,or even better than HTML/CSS/javascript,but it is a fact that they aren't capable as Flash when it comes to things like animation,because it isn't meant for this sort of thing,it's a whole different thing altogether ,so comparing it isn't really fair for any side,both has its advantages.What I am tring to say,is that when you create a site in Flash,it looks amazing,for 99% of the web that isnt too important,but take a look at sites for some luxury cars,fashion designers,even the webby awards and you will see my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxtoni View Post
    You didn't understand what I mean,but it is my fault to say the least.

    1)It is a fact that Flash is inaccessible,but I think that I stated tha

    2)They wont stay because of the reasons I named,it's large,takes too long to load and slows everything down

    They laugh at it because its heavy,bulky and doesnt work well on the web,but lets create a hypothetical situation,imagine now that search engines could get along with flash,it was open source and wasnt so bulky.Would you prefer Flash or HTML,don't answer this too quickly,think about it,from a designers perspective,take a look at the animations you can do in Flash,HTML or javascript can't do anything like that.I am not saying that Flash is good,or even better than HTML/CSS/javascript,but it is a fact that they aren't capable as Flash when it comes to things like animation,because it isn't meant for this sort of thing,it's a whole different thing altogether ,so comparing it isn't really fair for any side,both has its advantages.What I am tring to say,is that when you create a site in Flash,it looks amazing,for 99% of the web that isnt too important,but take a look at sites for some luxury cars,fashion designers,even the webby awards and you will see my point.
    I personally wouldn't. I hate Flash as a technology, the application isn't easy to use either.

    Then theres the fact that any standard pertaining to the web should be Open (as stated by a number of big companies including Google, Apple, Microsoft and Opera), which Flash will never be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsdesigns View Post
    I personally wouldn't. I hate Flash as a technology, the application isn't easy to use either.

    Then theres the fact that any standard pertaining to the web should be Open (as stated by a number of big companies including Google, Apple, Microsoft and Opera), which Flash will never be.
    That doesn't matter,I already said that I too think that Flash isn't really a technology that can own the web,but we are here talking about the capabilities of HTML5/CSS3 as a technology and someone mentioned it would kill Flash,it cannot kill Flash because its like trying to cut an Apple with a chewing gum,it's just different categories,there is nothing to kill,HTML/CSS or even JavaScript cant replicate the esthetic's that Flash has to offer,as long as there are people who place looks over accessibility,Flash (or a similar technology) will survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxtoni View Post
    That doesn't matter,I already said that I too think that Flash isn't really a technology that can own the web,but we are here talking about the capabilities of HTML5/CSS3 as a technology and someone mentioned it would kill Flash,it cannot kill Flash because its like trying to cut an Apple with a chewing gum,it's just different categories,there is nothing to kill,HTML/CSS or even JavaScript cant replicate the esthetic's that Flash has to offer,as long as there are people who place looks over accessibility,Flash (or a similar technology) will survive.
    So, your arguement here is that anything I bring up doesn't matter? I bring up accessibility, you discount it because of some hypothetical world where flash can be understood by screen readers (not going to happen in the near future, if at all). Then discount the fact that all standards pertaining to the web should be open.

    The capabilities of Flash vs the capabilities of open source technologies (HTML5+CSS3+JavaScript) leave very little differences.

    HTML5 and CSS3 will remove the need for Flash from a number of various markets on the web (as mentioned before). Especially their biggest market at the moment (Flash video). Youtube and Vimeo have both already said they will be switching over to HTML 5 (and both have beta's of their site in place for users to opt into), and I'm sure with them the majority of the rest of the web will follow.

    As said before, HTML 5, once it is released, will remove any need for Flash in professional web design unless a client specifically asks for a Flash game to be created (which you could argue doesn't even come under web design; it comes under game design).

    I can see what your saying, but so many companies have already stopped making flash applications in favour of open source solutions (including HTML5+CSS3) that Flash is going to be obsolete in professional web design, any company still working on producing Flash for web design purposes will have to change over the next few years to keep in business.

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    o.k. I'm impressed with the html5 & css3 demo

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsdesigns View Post
    So, your arguement here is that anything I bring up doesn't matter? I bring up accessibility, you discount it because of some hypothetical world where flash can be understood by screen readers (not going to happen in the near future, if at all). Then discount the fact that all standards pertaining to the web should be open.

    The capabilities of Flash vs the capabilities of open source technologies (HTML5+CSS3+JavaScript) leave very little differences.

    HTML5 and CSS3 will remove the need for Flash from a number of various markets on the web (as mentioned before). Especially their biggest market at the moment (Flash video). Youtube and Vimeo have both already said they will be switching over to HTML 5 (and both have beta's of their site in place for users to opt into), and I'm sure with them the majority of the rest of the web will follow.

    As said before, HTML 5, once it is released, will remove any need for Flash in professional web design unless a client specifically asks for a Flash game to be created (which you could argue doesn't even come under web design; it comes under game design).

    I can see what your saying, but so many companies have already stopped making flash applications in favour of open source solutions (including HTML5+CSS3) that Flash is going to be obsolete in professional web design, any company still working on producing Flash for web design purposes will have to change over the next few years to keep in business.
    Look I don't have the nerves to explain to you what I am trying to say,if you didn't understand it from the posts above,that's fine.You said once HTML 5 is released it will remove Flash,I tell you,in the next 5-10 years,flash will still be around.
    And no you don't see what I am saying,but you seem so narrow-minded that you can't comprehend anything that isnt as you see it.I said about 5 times before,that I don't think that Flash can do anything to damage HTML/CSS,but that they will never be able to present content in such a esthetically pleasing manner as Flash,but you keep defending html with accessibility,even thought in my first post it says that Flash is going to die because its closed,but as it seems you only want to hear this,I will grant you that pleasure,you may quote me:
    You are right,I am wrong

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    Interesting illustration of HTML5 readiness: HTML5 Readiness

    Btw, I kinda agree with xxtoni that if Flash were open source and better performing it would be better and far more powerful, and that even as is it can do more in terms of animations than HTML5, so it's probably not gonna die easily. There might be a niche for it.

    But it probably wont be a big niche.

    We can only guess though. Maybe as HTML5 and CSS3 is more and more adopted there will emerge a new open technology that would completely replace all of the more advanced Flash capabilities...

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    Yeah, flash does seem to have its place on games and movie websites..

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    New technologies, more exploits ..
    Chrome and Safari users open to stealth HTML5 AppCache attack

    When a website is trying to create an Offline Application Cache, Firefox and Opera ask for user permission and only after the user permitting, the site is able to create this cache. With Google Chrome and Safari this step is skipped, any website can create an Application Cache without the user even knowing about it.

    With HTML5 Application Cache, it is possible to poison the cache of even HTTPS sites

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