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    Thumbs down Lets keep ruining the proxy business :)

    Yes this is another hate thread against .co.cc/.co.cz/.tk spammers, seriously they ruined the proxy business and proxy lists owners are helping them, I really don't understand why proxy lists owners allow them to spam their lists with
    proxybox1.co.cc proxybox2.co.cc .......... proxybox458665.co.cc
    sites, its so annoying.

    I took a long break from proxies and the last proxy I had was closed on September 2009, I sold my network, my google group, etc. so I decided to start from scratch with unique proxies with rare domains, unique designs, fast servers, etc.
    I submit my proxy to 10 lists and what do I get 60 visits -.-
    why?
    because the spammers are getting all the visits
    I was going to submit my proxy to topbits but I felt it was a huge rip off to pay 1$ for 50 visits when last year I used to get 600-1000 visits for 1$, It seems I will have to spend at least 100$ on proxy.org advertisement.

    I'm pretty sure I will get people saying illogical things like
    "crash your competition!" or "we all started somewhere"

    but how can you compete against a group of spammers that submit around 10 proxies every 2 mins and most of them don't pay the listing fee.

    PS: I would like to congratz all the proxy lists owners that have blocked .co.cc,co.cz domains or that have tried to regulate their submission.

    So this is my question for proxy lists owners?
    why do you guys let greedy people ruin the fun for all of us?
    .co.cc proxies last no more than 2 weeks, and they are slow, list owners should remember quality is better than quantity.

    PS: I would like to congratz all the proxy lists owners that have blocked .co.cc/co.cz submissions.

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    I bet Adsense bannings will come soon. A lot of them use keywords like Forex to try and get more income. However I still don't believe they should be blocked from listing sites.


    Anyway submitting to lists is one way of getting traffic to your proxies but there are many others. When I was promoting proxies I was mainly focusing on SEO. It may be harder to do these days but getting to the top for some of those keywords like "unblock facebook" can mean lots of traffic.
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    If these proxies do what proxies are designed to do - what's the problem here?

    It's selfish to think that it's all about you and your paycheck, rather than the people suffering from internet restriction who are trying to have free access to information. Proxies were designed to allow people to protect their privacy, and to circumvent internet restriction and blocking mechanisms. If a .co.cc does that... there's no issue here.

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    This should be the title of this thread:

    "Lets keep ruining the proxy business from selfish people like me "

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    Well I just took the step to ban co.cc and .tk domains from my proxy list and not because I believe people should pay for the domain they are listing but because every single listing that does a sneaky thing like redirect or use an iframe so they don't have to host the domain uses those free domains.

    Someone that goes to the expense of a domain is a lot less likely to use these tactics imho.

    Redirecting or using an iframe generally means the person visiting what they think is a new proxy will find themselves at a blocked site so that has no value to my visitors.

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    I can't say it's completely ruined the proxy industry, as I've altogether stopped using proxy lists for traffic anyways. The best and most successful proxies are the ones that don't need proxy lists to get traffic.

    I'm sure however that they are helping in lowering click rates for AdSense.

    I have banned co.cc/.tk on 2 out of 3 of my proxy lists (the 3rd I just don't care about )
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    Any business is selfish, no one cares about those suffering from restrictions because most proxy owners block Iran, China etc. On the other hand making school proxies for the innocent kids (the biggest source of traffic) is something bad but again no one cares as long they make a lot of money.
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    I have nothing against people who make co.cc/free domain proxies or just submit one or two co.cc proxies per day. The ones I detest are those who submit tonloads of them everyday to all popular proxy lists (There should be a few).

    The issues are regulation, "monopolization" and fair competition. Co.cc spammers greatly annoy and trouble slow and steady webmasters like me (Who buy paid domains and submit much fewer proxies (Like 1 proxy every weekday). You submit one and they submit 20, who wins? A few people hog all the traffic/income from free proxy lists/topbits by submitting tonloads of co.cc proxies. Fair?

    Free domain submitters have no one regulating them at free proxy lists that permit co.cc, as they can submit 100 co.cc proxies in a day to those lists without spending a penny and drown out any other slow and steady webmaster's proxies depriving them of traffic/income.

    If these proxies do what proxies are designed to do - what's the problem here?

    It's selfish to think that it's all about you and your paycheck, rather than the people suffering from internet restriction who are trying to have free access to information. Proxies were designed to allow people to protect their privacy, and to circumvent internet restriction and blocking mechanisms. If a .co.cc does that... there's no issue here.
    Most co.cc/free domain proxies (The majority these days in free proxy lists) redirect proxy users(From Iran and other govt censored or 3rd world countries) to google or crappy sites. They enable a few mass co.cc submitters to hog proxy lists/income/traffic. Could you consider these mass co.cc submitters unselfish? I don't.

    Finally let's consider a fair proxy webmaster. He cares about proxy users in addition to his income. He is a fair competitor as he does not hog proxy lists by submitting 100's of co.cc proxies in a short span. He uses quality hosting. He allows all countries (Including Iran). He doesn't use surveys, pop-ups, pop-unders, link ads, box hiding and most such user annoyances. If co.cc spammers drown out his proxies at all lists and he thus earns very little, how does he pay his (Expensive) hosting bill? How does he keep up his web proxy service? What incentive is there for him to keep making proxies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zash View Post
    I can't say it's completely ruined the proxy industry, as I've altogether stopped using proxy lists for traffic anyways. The best and most successful proxies are the ones that don't need proxy lists to get traffic.
    Proxy lists are necessary for those who follow a certain strategy (That benefits proxy users as well). Releasing brand new proxies frequently.

    Me too PS: I would like to congratulate/thank all the proxy lists owners that have blocked/strictly regulated free domain submissions.
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    @Glypus

    I really accept with what you said....

    But always people need fresh proxy sites as the old ones will be filtered in their office/school. This free domains increase the availability of fresh proxies... but the problem is some of these (majority in real) free domains have low quality and low speed servers...

    also i dont think there is selfish and unselfish....all are looking for some bucks.... i never see a proxy site without ads in it...lol

    Me: somewhat I congrats all the proxy lists owners that have blocked/strictly regulated free domain submissions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeolshah View Post
    @Glypus

    I really accept with what you said....

    But always people need fresh proxy sites as the old ones will be filtered in their office/school. This free domains increase the availability of fresh proxies... but the problem is some of these (majority in real) free domains have low quality and low speed servers...

    also i dont think there is selfish and unselfish....all are looking for some bucks.... i never see a proxy site without ads in it...lol
    They increase the supply of proxies, but they do so at the cost of creating a situation in which only people creating large amounts of co.cc proxies can compete in free lists where co.cc proxies are allowed and unrestricted. They harass and deny traffic/exposure to proxies of all webmasters who don't like the "Spam large numbers of co.cc proxies every day" approach.

    Everybody is selfish, but when selfishness is uncontrolled and becomes excessive, it creates problems, as is the case with mass co.cc submitters. It is quite apparent from looking at these co.cc proxies and their submission volumes that increasing the supply of fresh proxies is the last thing on their mind.
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